Anal sex for 13 year olds? Warwickshire again...

Can someone more eloquent than I please express the utter rage and despair I’m feeling, without resorting to a sentence that consists only of swear words?

Only by beating my head silently against the wall.

Which is why some people prefer home schooling their children.
That is sick.

What I have not seen mentioned anywhere is any evaluation of the impact of RSE in schools. Not just on the knowledge and attitudes of children but on the behaviours that they claim, or are alleged, to influence.

Is anyone aware of anything? Preferably not hopelessly partisan. So much of the campaigning around RSE seems be at the extremes of "God doesn't want you to be Gay!" vs "Kindergarten Kink".

R0wantrees - I've been looking at all the work done by Mumsnet in the past (2012 - 2014), campaigning for compulsory RSE in Schools and surveying members. It all seems incredibly naive now, with people arguing in good faith that schools need to bring in "outside experts". The landscape has changed too, with "Gender identities" in the foreground where they were just a dot on the horizon back then.

I wondered what your thoughts were? This feels like it should be a topic on its own. I have had a quick scoot around the "Education Boards", to see if concerns expressed on FWR are reflected there, but the discussions seem to be much more focussed on schools rather than on broader topics like this.

Thank you for sharing. Some good news. Perhaps the tide is turning at last.

**Childrenofthestones. Warwickshire County Council has a Conservative majority. Even what would be classed as traditional Labour areas have voted Tory over the last 10 years or so.

"Schools are obviously facing a challenging time at the moment. But as soon as they can, they must consult with parents on a different approach to teaching RSE which complies with the law. As with other teaching in state schools, it must be balanced, objective and critical, not pushing particular controversial views such as transgender ideology.”

A return to common sense..

From promoting the underage use of porn to advising children how to have anal sex, in every case I have ever come across it has been a left wing, or left-wing dominated council/authority/committee.

Same story in local press, so no PayWall:

"Warwickshire County Council scraps programme after parents say it encouraged masturbation"

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/warwickshire-county-council-scraps-programme-18081080

The bad press, petition and threat of legal action by a Christian organisation probably had a lot to do with this:

"In a Cabinet report, the council notes that an independent review of AAM has been carried out by the Sex Education Forum, part of the National Children’s Bureau, and “approves the replacement of it with an information and signposting offer to schools.”

Warwickshire still has to update its "Respect Yourself" page - the links still lead to a site "under review":

warwickshirecse.co.uk/30116.html

The organisation that made and sold "Respect Yourself" to Warwickshire and other Councils is "Going Off The Rails" aka "Jonny Hunt" aka "Little Rubber Hat" twitter.com/littlerubberhat.

It is still advertising that it provides free training ("free" as in "pre-paid"?) "Respect Yourself Training" for professionals working with "young people" in Warwickshire:

www.goingofftherails.co.uk/training/respect-yourself-training/

There were a whole bunch of other Councils who had bought in to "Respect Yourself" but I can't see them listed on that website now.

(There is change in the air - there has also been a bit of a climb-down from Andrew Moffat aka "No Outsiders" in Birmingham.)

Why have they pulled it Dreamprincess ? If I recall correctly Warwickshire doubled down and defended both the programme and the individuals involved in developing it - despite all the inappropriate content detailed in this thread.

Further news from Warwickshire in today's Telegraph :

Controversial sex education course that taught children about touching their own genitals is pulled - namely

The “All About Me” syllabus, which was rolled out at over 200 primary schools across Warwickshire

Just seen this

Thank ypu GC for posting the link and sharing the opportunity to sign up to put a stop to normalising porn and extreme sexual behaviours that come with such huge associated risks.

This reminds me a little bit of the limited stuff I have researched about PIE. Whilst I am not suggesting this is in any way the same thing, it does hint at a gradual erosion of moral standards, to a point where things we thought were totally unacceptable, are now regarded by some as normal.
NCCL - National Council For Civil Liberties

"In May 1978, according to Magpie, NCCL motions were passed supporting PIE's rights and the annual meeting went on to condemn 'attacks' against paedophiles and their supporters, saying "this AGM condemns the physical and other attacks on those who have discussed or attempted to discuss paedophilia, and reaffirms the NCCL's condemnation of harassment and unlawful attacks on such persons."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

Thanks GColdtimer a good reminder to sign and share. Watching eagerly for their response.

Thanks Barbara I will experiment. I mainly access Internet at home through my laptop which has a password. Dc mainly access via phones, or You Tube on the TV. Phones don't have mobile data but I know they can tether off other kids. Luckily school is phone free (while actually in school).
It's really hard to get my head around all this stuff, I am forcing myself to learn it because I'm not a techy. Given the choice I would head back to 1996 and get rid of all if it!

Hi, just an update from SSA here. We have written to WCC asking a whole load of questions following the removal of the website. You can see our update here: www.change.org/p/warwickshire-county-council-stop-warwickshire-cc-normalising-the-use-of-pornography-by-children-s/u/25189570

Also, we were disappointed the Times didn't come to SSAUK or Click Off for comment as we would have highlighted some of the more concerning aspects of this site. The Times missed a trick.

That is so true

How are phone settings so open to dc that they can just download anything, including something to break school rules?

It IS common, and has been for years for dc to download vpns.

Tbh phones present a huge risk to dc. End of.

But whos going to manage that properly, have the extensive knowledge to, and actually.follow through with not letting them have phones under an age mature enough to responsibly.manage the risks.

Hepzibah - as an experiment (with private browsing on, so your children don't stumble on the search history later) use duck duck go, pick a fairly vanilla sexual term so hopefully you don't stumble on anything too gross, and switch safe search off on the image search facility. The bad news is you will immediately get a page of extremely graphic images. The good news is that your router's block should at least prevent you clicking through to any of the sites themselves. But it is quite eye opening as to how easily things can be circumvented.

There's quite a variety of free-to-downloaf VPNs out there too. Many teens will have them on their phones (not necessarily because they're porn addicts - often simply to evade their school's net nanny so they can continue to Instagram/play fortnite while at school).

How ironic and so revealing that internet safety settings there to protect children, wontt allow you to go to that site

It works

Everyone use is.

I agree with pp that it angers me also the number of parents who dont use protections available for their dc.

Dont you have to pay for a VPN ( wrt it bring easy to install)?
Also, why would an Internet provider only filter Google searches? Is it not possible to filter all browser searches?
(Sorry to derail thread, but it's really important to share this information from a child protection standpoint imo.)

my internet provider's router level block on, it weeds out anything dodgy searching via Google - but doesn't filter out dodgy searches via duck duck go.
Fuck me I did not know that! Yy to talking to kids but parents also have to at least try to block dodgy stuff. Where my dc go to high school there is a lot of "oh I have talked to them about it so I know they wont" which, knowing teens as I do, is bollocks.
I will bear in mind the other search engines thing though. Mine don't seem to realise there's anything other than Google yet-we are not a very techy family-but I will keep an eye.

Yes, I do have porn blocked at router level at home. I actually work in a pretty techy area, so know my way around this stuff, which is precisely why I don't think tech fixes are the answer. For eg with my internet provider's router level block on, it weeds out anything dodgy searching via Google - but doesn't filter out dodgy searches via duck duck go. This isn't even as "complex" as using a VPN - this is as simple as changing search engine (of course these days installing a VPN is as easy as falling off a log).

Tech fixes only really stop the "accidental Google" incidents (and not even all of them). They don't stop deliberate attempts to access porn.

This is why I think the first line of defence is talking to children. And making sure that you start as young as possible with reinforcing empathy for others, messages about "it's only a game if everyone's smiling".

Hopefully I'm doing something right though - reading a YA book aimed at boys last night (techno thriller type thing) and DS bridled at the description of one of the heroes teachers as "an attractive young woman in her twenties" - he thought the author was being a creepy bloke! (On its own that probably comes as a bit of an "overthinking" type of comment, but this author has form for this kind of thing, and it makes DS very uncomfortable).

Disgusting. Glad I don't live in Warwickshire. The teen pregnancy rate must be astronomical when they encourage kiddies to have sex

Barbara re Internet filters, just fyi you can get adult content blocked by your wifi provider so at least they are not accessing porn at home. Much more effective than messing with individual devices. I do this (and I tested it by trying to Google a lot of terms from Warwickshires pro porn for kids content and it wouldn't let me because it was inappropriate. . ) but I'm amazed by the number of parents that don't have this. I'm also really angered by parents lax attitude to Internet safety actually because if they were all on top of this then my dc wouldn't get shown/told about porn by other kids.
Anyway, I agree completely about talking to teens about what is behind porn on terms of who benefits etc. I have always done this- discussed the fact that it's a big business,that porn actors are often emotionally damaged and that you can't ever know that porn is consensual.

I also say that porn doesn't represent what sex is like for most people.
I still just can't really believe a council is producing garbage like this tbh. I don't need to know about all these fetishes and I'm an adult with a fairly colourful past! . Anyone who can defend this needs their background looking into in depth, for sure.

That's absolutely what the demi sexual label is about.

When you see what, twenty years ago, was the absolutely big standard, statistically most common attitude to sex in the population at large (men as well as women, going off my male friends' attitude) suddenly needing a label so it can be defended as a "legitimate lifestyle choice", you need to be asking "What's changed between now and then? What are the social pressures people feel they have to defend themselves against in order to wave this label around as a defence?"

I think it also explains the curious phenomenon of the "asexual" who likes sex (in the right circumstances). I think this is also a defence mechanism - again the label becomes the only way you're allowed to engage in what used to be the fairly normal behaviour of giving yourself a period to regroup and reassess what you want in between sexual relationships.