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“Person who gave birth” turns out to be mother.

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aliasundercover · 25/09/2019 14:52

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/25/transgender-man-loses-court-battle-to-be-registered-as-father-freddy-mcconnell

It’s just not fair he says.

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Scarlett555 · 25/09/2019 16:24

Unpopular opinion but I don't think it's a fair judgement. He should have been named as the child's parent which is gender neutral - I believe this is what was requested.

My wife is named on our daughter's birth certificate as her parent and has no biological link to her. It seems unfair that lesbian rainbow families get a fair reflection on the birth certificates but trans rainbow families don't.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/09/2019 16:22

Just toddlers throwing a man sized tantrum. 🏅 😘

Tighnabruaich · 25/09/2019 16:21

Thanks for the hat and the medal. I'm not going back in though. These people are full of rage!

Beamur · 25/09/2019 16:20

This result shouldn't be a surprise, but I am pleased this was the decision.
Perhaps the language around menstruators/chest feeding can be reviewed. Mother may not be gender specific but it is sex specific.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/09/2019 16:20

@Tighnabruaich I take my 🎩 off to you! A bit of a medal of honour these days.

FleurNancy · 25/09/2019 16:19

Ejaculators and gestators. There really is a very dystopian ring to those.

HandsOffMyRights · 25/09/2019 16:13

And I've just been told 'Die, moron' - on the GUARDIAN Facebook page!

Keep up the good work!

MatildaCat · 25/09/2019 16:12

@FleurNancy it's totally ludicrous! Agreed!

MatildaCat · 25/09/2019 16:10

I should no more be called a gestational parent than menstrator, chest feeder, ovarian cancer haver, pregnant person etc. What a ridiculous suggestion.

Tighnabruaich · 25/09/2019 16:09

And I've just been told 'Die, moron' - on the GUARDIAN Facebook page!

FleurNancy · 25/09/2019 16:09

It's batshit. He's a woman who wants to live as a man but not when it comes to doing things which only women can do (menstruate, have babies...)? Talk about having your cake and eating it?! FFS.

JoyceJeffries · 25/09/2019 16:07

Can we start calling fathers “ejaculators” on the birth certificate because it’s every bit as offensive as “gestational carriers”

If you give birth to a baby you are the mother.

happydappy2 · 25/09/2019 16:06

This is the right outcome. Only a Mother can carry and give birth to child, just because said Mother prefers to live their life presenting to the world as a man, they are still the Mother. Facts are important. The GRA has created a legal fiction which needs to ironed out very quickly, men should not be legally recognised as women when they are not. They can have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment but that does not make them the opposite sex.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 25/09/2019 16:03

See as an adoptee I'm quite keen on birth certificates recording the truth.

I know who my adopted parents are, and call/ed them Mum and Dad. Nothing about my birth certificate diminishes their roles in any way. It just records details of my birth parents.

HandsOffMyRights · 25/09/2019 15:59

The person who gestated the baby

That'd be the mother then.

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/09/2019 15:57

has lived as a man for several years but retained his female reproductive system and gave birth

I mean really... Hmm

LizzieSiddal · 25/09/2019 15:51

It’s not appropriate from him to be recorded as "father" but I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent".

Would you? As long as you want that just for trans men. I’m a woman and a mother and want that recorded on my dcs birth certificate,

Are you also going to record the father as “sperm donor”.

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aliasundercover · 25/09/2019 15:50

I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent"

Or we could just say 'mother'

Gets round any issues that trans men may have with the term "mother"

Or they could just get over themselves

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 25/09/2019 15:46

Alarming how little the rights / needs of the child feature in the coverage compared with the demands of the adult.
We really are going backwards to a grim place where children are seen but not heard.

Cailleachian · 25/09/2019 15:41

Its not appropriate from him to be recorded as "father" but I would like the birth certificate changed to record the "gestational parent".

Gets round any issues that trans men may have with the term "mother", but more importantly ensures that the person who gestated the baby is always recorded on the birth certificate in cases of adoption or surrogacy.

HandsOffMyRights · 25/09/2019 15:36

So common sense prevailed despite the BBC bias and huge media storm.

Yet leaving a child motherless on a birth certificate is somehow fair?

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aliasundercover · 25/09/2019 15:36

Tighnabruaich

Keep at it - you're helping these people out themselves as fucking idiots.

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Tighnabruaich · 25/09/2019 15:31

I commented on this on a Facebook page and got ripped to shreds. I tried to say that the child already had a father who had provided the sperm, but this transman would always be the child's father in life. People started accusing me of saying adoptive fathers weren't real fathers and so on. What I was trying to say, that the transman grew the child in a womb, he didn't 'father' it, someone else did. Then I was told that adopted children have two - a legal one and a biological one and I was a hater and a moron. I don't know why I bothered.

AutumnRose1 · 25/09/2019 15:31

Thanks
I didn't want to click on the link

GenderfreeJoe · 25/09/2019 15:13

Bit unfair on the child. The birth certificate is their document, not the parents. I'm glad the 'father' didn't win this.

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