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Civility, reasonableness, and those rules

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 23/09/2019 20:35

So, since I'm most likely on my way out anyway, why not start a conversation about this? I just received a warning/threat for posting a Widow Twanky joke (not directed at any specific person) in a thread. Not sure which one, because the very keen to enforce deference upon women person who sent it forgot to include a link to the thread they were complaining about, maybe Munroe Bergdorf and the silly FB ad? Anyway, apparently this breaks the guidelines, which does rather raise the point of whether those guidelines are in any way fit for purpose. You're trying to ban jokes? On this site? On any British site? You are aware that our pointed humor is somewhat of a national trait and something we're often admired for in other parts of the world?

I think that this is neither reasonable nor constructive, and I do not agree that it in any way helps to facilitate debate. I also do not think it's reasonable or constructive to have moderation that enables the targeting and therefore harassment of specific users with the aim of preventing them from participating in the debate. Numerous longtime commenters have been picked off this way, the most recent one being Lass (a person who I often disagreed with but respected, and who deserved the right to speak). This space is less interesting and less useful as a result of their being removed at the behest of angry TRAs and/or regular old blokes who don't like women critiquing the sex industry (which I assume is what happened to Lass).

Apparently MNHQ recently had a big internal conversation about this (or at least they said they were going to), and what has emerged is a continuance of the special rules that only apply to feminists being applied in a way that censors women's opinions and stifles debate in order to avoid upsetting male people with delicate egos. Do we think this is reasonable?

(If I vanish you know why - suspended for insubordination. If I can peak a few more people on the way out then I'm absolutely fine with that. I am still Spartacus.)

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donquixotedelamancha · 23/09/2019 21:50

Here for the (inevitable) deletion message.

I hope not. I think the most they can reasonably do is move to site stuff. This is clearly a general discussion of the rules.

I want to be respectful of the rules, I think there is some advantage to rules which limit the obvious transphobe trolls (real or not). But I think it's really wrong insisting women miss-sex predators who are clearly driven by a hatred of women; like Yaniv, White or Hayden. I wish they'd operate a little more judgement.

panto references are out now?

Oh no they aren't.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 23/09/2019 21:43

panto references are out now?

shiiiit

seriously MNHQ - stop pandering to men's hurt feelings at the detriment women's ability to discuss reality. pretty please?

TinselAngel · 23/09/2019 21:29

Quite a few people seem to be being deleted for saying things which are deemed to not be "constructive", which seems a very subjective measure.

And also smacks of telling women that they must always, above all, be "nice".

BarbaraStrozzi · 23/09/2019 21:24

Well said, Prod.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 23/09/2019 21:22

Just because I'm going to be (inevitably) suspended doesn't mean I'm going to give up or stop peak transing people in other ways, btw, to stick that in your pipe and smoke it, lurking reporters.

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PlayYouLikeAShark · 23/09/2019 21:20

Well said kittens. Here for the (inevitable) deletion message.

I'm Spartacus too ✊🏻

BeMoreMagdalen · 23/09/2019 20:58

Yup. Spot on. Enough. And, may I add another request for the mods to do the Freedom Programme? Because repeatedly falling for coercive control methods and threatening women with bans for generic panto references is not remotely reasonable and suggests a serious blind spot, to say the least.

LangCleg · 23/09/2019 20:58

Placemarking for later.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 23/09/2019 20:57

It does seem a bit hypocritical to promote the Freedom Program while subjecting your own users to much the same behavior that it teaches women to recognize.

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stealthsquirrelnutkin · 23/09/2019 20:49

I thought the widow Twanky reference was very apt, and it certainly didn't single out any individual person for ridicule.

Deleting the post and claiming it breaks the special rules for discussing transgenderism is grossly unfair. I agree with all the other previously posting domestic abuse survivors who have pointed out that coercive control from the moderation team is highly abusive and triggering.

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