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More propaganda from Mermaids

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Qcng · 22/09/2019 09:43

Came across this in The Mirror, obviously written by Mermaids.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/my-girl-became-youngest-trans-20138358

Not quite sure how to phrase this but it looks to me like another young child's life has been ruined for a publicity stunt, a vanity project for the parents and Mermaids. "Youngest trans child ever".

I simply do not believe most of what was written, ot things actually happened the way the article describes. I just feel really really sad for that young child.

Being a fantasy Disney Princess is not being a girl!

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Pota2 · 23/09/2019 08:42

Kids Company was also deemed untouchable for a long time in much the same way as Mermaids are now. That all went horribly wrong. The scandals will come. They’re already brewing as seen in the court case where the judge made a point of noting Mermaids’ harmful influence in a case where the child immediately went back to thinking he was his biological sex as soon as he got away from the mother.

Thingybob · 23/09/2019 08:38

Verysadpants, it was brave of you to come on here. I believe a 2 year could sob uncontrollably insisting that they are not a boy but a girl however I do not believe it is because they want their internal identity validated or because they are concerned about pronouns, it would be because they want something that they associate with the opposite sex and that message about what are boys or girls can or cannot do would have come from care givers and family members. I do accept that that message may have been unintentional or unavoidable.

Similarly my 2 year old grandson was sobbing uncontrollably at the weekend insisting he was not little but big. My response to his sobbing was not to consider hormones or surgery to make him grow taller or insist that everyone around him says "Wow what a big boy you are" although that might have cheered him up a bit. Instead I identified the reason he wanted to be big (the 'big' children were going to the park and he wasn't) and dealt with that by telling him I would take him later. Ha it didn't work as he is 2 and only has a crude understanding of the word 'later' in much the same way that he only has a crude understanding of the words 'big' 'little' 'boy' and 'girl' so I got the sweets out instead.

Qcng · 23/09/2019 07:49

Mermaids needs investigating
Yes, 100%

Wasn't there a petition somewhere asking for this?

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MrsJamin · 23/09/2019 06:24

I don't know how as a parent you'd confirm that your child can become another sex, whatever their distress. At two or three years of age, children don't know anything! They pretend to be a dragon for a day, etc!

StealthPolarBear · 23/09/2019 06:16

Mermaids needs investigating. And thi is going to be a scandal we'll look back on and be horrified. Well some of us are horrified now but are being called transphobes.

Creepster · 22/09/2019 23:28

The threat that Mermaids uses to sell their child abuse system is despicable. Particularly in light of the clearly documented post transitioning spike in suicides.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 22:31

Verysad i do feel for the parents and I believe most of them are trying to do what is best. But with the distress you describe, is the best way to tell the child that they can change sex, even though such a thing is not possible?
I think you have to bear in mind that this is all untested, despite what Mermaids say. What if your child turns around to you as an adult and asks you why you did that to them. How would you be able to answer that or live with the fact that it could have caused infertility, increased cancer risk, dependency on medication and may not even have removed the feelings of distress? It’s not easy but I’m pretty sure that this is not the way forward.

0lga · 22/09/2019 22:13

None of my children could reliably tell a boy from a girl at the age of two. I wonder where I went wrong.

Qcng · 22/09/2019 22:06

I also do wonder if they had a different underlying issue (maybe neuro diversity

As is the case for so many children who "transition". Unfortunately the ""transition" does not address or help their neuro diversity at all (and probably worsens it imo).

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Voice0fReason · 22/09/2019 22:02

It breaks my heart to read stories like that. It is the very existence of gender that causes this poor kid distress. If the mother allowed her child to wear whatever clothes they wanted, pink dresses or blue shorts, they would have been happy.
In a genderdree world - any sex can wear any clothes.

MollyButton · 22/09/2019 22:00

has had regular, long episodes of absolutely heartbroken crying because they are not the opposite sex, starting from when they were two.

It is as old as Freud's ideas of Penis envy - that some little girls want to be boys (maybe to pee up walls like their Cousins); and some little boys want to be girls - because they want to be able to grow a baby. This doesn't make either trans. It is a stage of childhood.
Of course I had it easy my DD wanted to marry a penguin and be a waterfall when he grew up - absolutely no one could pretend either was possible.

I do dislike some of the parent blaming - as one parent I know who allowed her child to transition seemed pretty sensible. And I think they was just a non-conforming child who found girls kinder. I also do wonder if they had a different underlying issue (maybe neuro diversity).

OldCrone · 22/09/2019 21:44

has had regular, long episodes of absolutely heartbroken crying because they are not the opposite sex, starting from when they were two.

What would a child of this age know about the sexes? They might be vaguely aware that boys' and girls' naked bodies look different, but what else? It seems a very young age for a child to decide they hate their body, so I wonder where this distress is coming from?

Qcng · 22/09/2019 21:36

Watchful waiting rather than affirmation is best practice. Mermaids rip all that apart.

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Qcng · 22/09/2019 21:35

and has still has had regular, long episodes of absolutely heartbroken crying because they are not the opposite sex

Which is why it needs to be nipped in the bud at an early age, and any dysphoria should not be encouraged by parents lying to children.

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BeMoreMagdalen · 22/09/2019 21:34

Very, I suspect the 'bad parenting' here is primarily the fame hungry aspect. No one wants their child mentally distressed, of course, and I'm sorry to hear you're in that situation. But you surely know your child isn't the opposite sex, don't you? However distressed they get about it? I presume you've been watchfully waiting, and that CAMHS are fully involved? It sounds difficult.

OldCrone · 22/09/2019 21:28

Putting kids on dangerous drugs must be awfully profitable for Webberly to be able to just write that off as the cost of doing business.

It's odd that all the Webberleys UK registered businesses have virtually no money going through them. They recently set up a business in Belize, but it's unclear where the money was going before then.

More in this thread about the Webberleys' business practices.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/09/2019 21:13

Over £25,000 in fines and costs and she just carries on.

Putting kids on dangerous drugs must be awfully profitable for Webberly to be able to just write that off as the cost of doing business.

Verysadpants · 22/09/2019 21:12

I’ve got a trans child, met a fair few other transparents too. I can’t speak for all of them but the ones I know well enough to discuss it with without exception would jump at the chance of having their child be gay rather than trans. I don’t know why posters seem to think it’s down to parents having strict gender roles either. Mine wore cast offs from older brothers and sisters, played with whatever without anyone batting an eyelid, and has still has had regular, long episodes of absolutely heartbroken crying because they are not the opposite sex, starting from when they were two. Its a constant, and Its awful. Maybe there are some parents that do this as a publicity stunt, I don’t know, but the ones I’ve met are just trying to get by in an extremely shitty situation. Not helped by being told they’ve brought it on themselves by their bad parenting.

Qcng · 22/09/2019 21:10

W is an abuser.

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OldCrone · 22/09/2019 21:07

Webberly is awfully confident for someone who has already been told off by the courts.

Told off, fined and suspended.

District Judge Neil Thomas ordered her to pay a £12,000 fine as well as a £2,000 fine issued to her GenderGP busness.

Dr Webberley was also told to pay £11,307 costs.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/03/gp-convicted-running-illegal-transgender-clinic-children/

Over £25,000 in fines and costs and she just carries on.

Qcng · 22/09/2019 20:58

Wow. That Wibberly Wobberly Tweet Shock

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OrchidInTheSun · 22/09/2019 20:57

Webberly never stops touting for business

Qcng · 22/09/2019 20:55

I hate to break it to you but your child may have terrible taste
They do, it's devastating. Grin Disney have a lot to answer for.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/09/2019 20:53

Webberly is awfully confident for someone who has already been told off by the courts.

Beamur · 22/09/2019 20:49

Given that the stats suggest an 80% chance that puberty would resolve their dysphoria, I'd like to see a really strong argument for the 1:5 chance it might help in some way (despite the dangers of the drugs involved)