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Trans 7 year old legally changes name on BC and passport.

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PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 08:46

I won't link the story as the child is named and there are photographs but it's easy enough to find.

This child is 7 yo ffs.
They preferred girls clothes and girls toys since the age of 3 so therefore they must be a girl.
The mum is very excited about introducing puberty blockers in a few years Hmm

The same paper is running a story highlighting the outrage that a 16 yo was offered lip fillers at several Harley Street clinics cos ya know its ILLEGAL for under 18s to have cosmetic surgery or a tattoo but puberty blockers are totally fine...

Why are we allowing this shit?
Why is it OK for 7 yo to make life changing choices but a 16 yo can't get lip fillers?

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littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 10:56

But 7 year olds don’t even know about newspapers I don’t think let alone want to be in one

I can’t imagine any 7 year olds saying to their mum. I want to be in the paper

So who is pushing this and why ?

PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 10:55

I wonder what TRAs view is?
Is this 7 yo brave and stunning?
Do they see transing children as validation for their own adult choices?

I am not sure anyone with an ounce of decency and genuine care for children's wellbeing can think this is safe and progressive.
Jazz is a public example. We have a teenager who has lived a trans life for so long they have no choice in how they live as an adult.
Puberty blockers have if I read correctly left Jazz with under developed genitals making any sort of SRS difficult and will be unlikely to result in the outcome Jazz was promised by the adults around them.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 10:52

The one where the mum is a nurse and mermaids facilitated this?

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 10:52

Always the mantra that if you don’t let the child transition, they will kill themselves. There are of course a few rare cases, usually due to having other MH issues, where that happens, but to suggest it happens in most or all cases is total nonsense.

Glaringly obvious that this is fuelled by the heavily gendered way that people are raising their kids. Mum clearly thought that boys must be into football and presumably kid grows up thinking that the only way one can have pretty pink dresses is to actually be a girl.

The problem is that this kid is now being told that he IS a girl. So his sense of self is going to be as female which is of little importance until puberty. Then this child’s body is likely to cause him acute distress because he has spent 7 years of his life having it affirmed that he really is a girl, his classmates will know him as a girl and his mindset is that he is female. I am guessing that the ‘choice’ to go on hormone blockers will be an easy one and after that, cross sex hormones.

A kid I knew growing up wore dresses and played with dolls. People frequently thought he was a girl and he didn’t correct them. He is now a gay man and absolutely no hint that he thinks he isn’t male. Yet I am convinced that he would have fallen into the trans kids category if he was born 20 years later than he was.

If the mum is reading this, I have sympathy for her but the stuff Mermaids are telling you about suicide is total rubbish. There is no evidence for it and they are scaremongering. Your kid is likely to have a life of medication and surgery and struggles. You will probably come to bitterly regret how you handled it.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/09/2019 10:50

Or will they feel so trapped by the adults around them and have "lived as a girl" for so long they don't think there is a way back?

This, this, this! People always say that "social transition" is totally reversible, no harm can be done etc, but the pressure that this places on a child....

I agree, child abuse and unsurprisingly facilitated by Mermaids

DickKerrLadies · 22/09/2019 10:35

It's almost as if the choice to dress her son up, put makeup on him, tell him he's a girl then publish photos in a national newspaper, was not completely about his needs.

Even if it was the child's decision to pose in a national newspaper rather than the mother's (any mention of the father?), as a parent I still wouldn't allow it.

littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 10:35

7 year olds don’t even know about their birth certificates.

Who is pushing this and why ?

andyoldlabour · 22/09/2019 10:33

"Only a few years ago my child came home from school and announced that in assembly they informed everyone that a child formally known as xxx (boy) is now a girl and should be called xxx. All of the toilets were changed to unisex. Being a catholic school it caused anger amongst some,"

I assume from certain information, that this is the Lily Madigan/St Simon Stock school in Maidstone saga, which to this day is playing out as a car crash in plain view.
I wish the school had not been forced to back down on that issue as they went against the 2010 Equality Act, which lists "sex" as a "protected characteristic".

www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/age-uk/documents/factsheets/fs79_equality_discrimination_and_the_public_sector_equality_duty_fcs.pdf

littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 10:32

3 year olds don’t even kno2 what they want for their tea

And if your 7 year said yeah I want to take drugs drive a car get a tattoo what would a parent say ?

donquixotedelamancha · 22/09/2019 10:29

And why is the mum putting her kid in the paper. Who does that

It's almost as if the choice to dress her son up, put makeup on him, tell him he's a girl then publish photos in a national newspaper, was not completely about his needs.

MyRaGaiaStarFishPieA · 22/09/2019 10:26

As the old saying goes - show me a vegan cat and il show you a owner making a lifestyle choice in their own interest.

eveholt · 22/09/2019 10:26

*fixed up should be fucked up!

LemonAddict · 22/09/2019 10:26

I can't believe that Social Services don't step in, when someone starts transitioning their 3 year old... or maybe they do and the child is on some child protection register somewhere, but the mum doesn't mention that, unsurprisingly.

Datun · 22/09/2019 10:25

And the decision to move onto puberty blockers will be ‘Luna’s alone’. At what, age 16?

As far as I'm aware development blockers (puberty blockers) are administered at Tanner Stage 2, which is between 9 and 11 years old.

By 16 puberty has already happened.

FamilyOfAliens · 22/09/2019 10:25

You had me at “Trans 7 year old”.

eveholt · 22/09/2019 10:25

I've had a 3yo, if they think gender roles are rigid enough to need to change sex at that age then you have seriously fixed up their parenting. They are toddlers. My ds likes dresses - so what?

WeaselsRising · 22/09/2019 10:23

This is frightening. You can see from the photos that the mother has a very fixed idea of what makes a girl and what makes a boy. He doesn't fit with her view of what a boy is, so therefore he is a girl.

My DS2 was a gentle little boy who loved all things pink and shiny. He had a really good eye for clothes and would come shopping with me and pick out nice fabrics. At 5 he would happily let his big sister dress him up in sparkly clothes and a feather boa.

Now 28, he is still interested in clothes and likes to dress well. While the rest of the family slob about in supermarket clothes he will only buy smart designer brands. He always looks polished. He is happily a man, despite not liking sport.

Hate to think that a 5 year old like he was could be set off on the path to "changing sex".

JoyceJeffries · 22/09/2019 10:23

Agreed. Child abuse. But the mums getting lots of attention so that’s the main thing.

littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 10:22

And why is the mum putting her kid in the paper. Who does that

littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 10:21

What 3 years old kid even knows or talks about this stuff

It’s just nonsense. And very damaging nonsense fi4 that kid

I do think it’s child abuse

stillathing · 22/09/2019 10:19

Imagine if this boy was told that liking dress up and dolls is fine for boys. If he wasn't made to feel odd for disliking football.

Yet we live in a world where privileged, successful, famous males declare that their use of eyeliner and choice of clothing makes them literally female some of the time. They are celebrated for doing so. These grown ups aren't contemplating drugs and surgery to remove their sexual function though.

CadburysTastesVileNow · 22/09/2019 10:16

‘Better a happy daughter than a dead son’ - the usual catchphrase (in the Mail version)

And the decision to move onto puberty blockers will be ‘Luna’s alone’. At what, age 16? Will Luna be allowed to get married, or drop out of school, or tattoo her eyeballs or stay out overnight aged 16, on their own say-so?

PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 10:06

The sad thing is that this child now will have gender dysphoria when they hit puberty

This is my feeling.
It's all cute now and the child his happy fir the attention and feels free to play and dress as they like. What happens if they start to feel differently aged 14? Will this child feel able to express a different gender? Will they feel able to say no to puberty blockers?
Or will they feel so trapped by the adults around them and have "lived as a girl" for so long they don't think there is a way back?

This is why transing children is abusive. Adults put them in a situation the children have no control over.

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donquixotedelamancha · 22/09/2019 09:58

The sad thing is that this child now will have gender dysphoria when they hit puberty. How could they not feel distress that their body doesn't match their self image?

Imagine if this boy was told that liking dress up and dolls is fine for boys. If he wasn't made to feel odd for disliking football.

JoyceJeffries · 22/09/2019 09:49

This says much more about the child’s mother than the child itself.