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Trans 7 year old legally changes name on BC and passport.

134 replies

PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 08:46

I won't link the story as the child is named and there are photographs but it's easy enough to find.

This child is 7 yo ffs.
They preferred girls clothes and girls toys since the age of 3 so therefore they must be a girl.
The mum is very excited about introducing puberty blockers in a few years Hmm

The same paper is running a story highlighting the outrage that a 16 yo was offered lip fillers at several Harley Street clinics cos ya know its ILLEGAL for under 18s to have cosmetic surgery or a tattoo but puberty blockers are totally fine...

Why are we allowing this shit?
Why is it OK for 7 yo to make life changing choices but a 16 yo can't get lip fillers?

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CassianAndor · 22/09/2019 11:45

Stupid, stupid abusive woman. And Mermaids need some thorough scrutiny and now.

QuimReaper · 22/09/2019 11:42

Sorry to slightly derail, but I just looked into the Lily Madigan case upthread. I hadn't heard of it.

Is there any reason why on earth the school didn't just let the child wear the "female" uniform? Unisex dress codes would make everything much easier. Schools (most of them, anyway) allowed girls to wear trousers years ago, just let boys wear skirts if they want. Gendered dress codes are clearly contributing to the problem.

NotBadConsidering · 22/09/2019 11:42

Mermaids loves this sort of story being public because those that work there seek validation for the irreversible actions they undertook on their own children.

Propertyofhood · 22/09/2019 11:42

And if its true that the teacher 'agreed that something was up' because that little boy always chose to dress up in dresses at school, then fucking shame on them as well.

Any EY teacher worth their salt knows that little boys do want to dress up in dresses and play with dolls at school and that it is completely normal.

MercyBookoo · 22/09/2019 11:41

Who directed the child to do the «hands on knees, head on one side» pose I wonder.

1984isHappeningNow · 22/09/2019 11:40

This part stands out for me. She reaches out for support and is told basically told to play nicely and not be offensive! This should be about her concerns not competitive misery.

But she stresses: “I explained how I felt to friends not in the trans community. They told me I should be grateful to have a child.

“It’s a complex emotion as a parent of a trans child. Last thing I wanted was to cause offence to any parent who has lost a child because of an accident or illness.”

Cantstopgrazing · 22/09/2019 11:37

This is child abuse.

No 3 year old really knows their own mind, and they certainly can't think through the long term consequences of their actions.

We have a legal adult age of 18 for a reason.

You can't vote, marry or have sex at 15, but crack on and destroy your future fertility and mutilate your body!

This world has gone crazy! Tbh, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have had any children.

Propertyofhood · 22/09/2019 11:37

Is Luna wearing makeup in that pic?

I agree that 7 year olds have no idea about birth certificates.

People like Sam Smith and Eddie Izzard need to have a long hard look at themselves. It's because of insidious shit people like them are pedalling that this child will almost inevitably be condemned to a life of medication, infertility, no proper sex drive and painful surgery.

I just can't believe how this is happening, how this is progress?

Oliversmumsarmy · 22/09/2019 11:35

DD at 7 was into playing with boys toys, had her hair cut very short and wore jeans and t shirts as they were the most practical.

Ds had waist length hair and looked prettier than most girls.

Being trans anything never came into it.

Utterley stupid woman.

Better a happy daughter than a dead son

How does anyone know that this "daughter" won't end up dead because of the pills this mother wants to shove down her son's throat.

No one knows the long term side effects of these pills

Propertyofhood · 22/09/2019 11:34

True, of course, Fekko - and as many survivors of parental abuse know, it can take much longer, decades even, before people really begin to question the narrative their parents spun them.

Not even abusive parents. I didn't have an abusive childhood at all, I had a totally idyllic childhood, but now that I am an adult, even I raise an eyebrow at some of my parents decisions.

I actually quite distinctively remember the realisation that my parents didn't know everything and weren't always right. I wasn't a rebellious teenager or anything so it was quite late for me, but I do remember it.

Luckily they hadn't told me any huge lies about my life and who I was, so it wasn't too traumatic.

OhMsBeliever · 22/09/2019 11:33

How the fuck can they let children decide on a future of infertility etc when they don't even let grown women decide if they want to be sterilised? What the actual fuck is going on here?

No kid is trans at that age. No kid understands the implications of what they are going through.

I wanted to be a boy for most of my childhood and teenage years. Thank fuck this shit wasn't around then. I wouldn't have got married to a man and had my kids. I'd be an infertile mess of a woman. Because you can't change sex. Stop lying to these kids! Stop enforcing rigid gender stereotypes on them.

ipswichwitch · 22/09/2019 11:32

I can not believe kids are being allowed to make such life changing, irreversible decisions. Christ, my 7yo would like to exist in Nutella and Haribo but that’s not gonna happen. He’s the same child who had a doll as a toddler and used to change its nappies. Doesn’t mean he wanted to be a girl, and not did I suggest it. We did have comments from certain family members about “girls toys”, which I told DS was down to them being silly - toys are toys.

I wonder why for certain parents childhood has to be so stereotyped. I thought we had made progress with the whole girls/boys toys and clothes thing, but seemingly not. As op have said, how come puberty blockers are fine to give to kids, but tattoos not? They come with major health risks, and the number of serious incidents that have arisen from their use is appalling (I read it in another MN thread , something like 41,000) - how can they continue to give them to children?

happydappy2 · 22/09/2019 11:28

This is not in the childs best interest....the Mother is delusional and the whole story is just too sad for words. mermaids have a lot to answer for-SG did what she felt was right for her child but she should not be advising other families-and yes, where is the Father?

TalkingintheDark · 22/09/2019 11:23

True, of course, Fekko - and as many survivors of parental abuse know, it can take much longer, decades even, before people really begin to question the narrative their parents spun them.

Which is why the idea of a child that age making their own choice about something this huge is absurd and wrong.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 11:18

The child won’t be making the decision on their own. Being brought up told that ‘you are a girl’ by the people you love and trust won’t give you much room to question - we don’t really start not believing our parents until after puberty surely?

AnyOldPrion · 22/09/2019 11:18

”The one where the mum is a nurse”

Now trained as a therapist...

Popchyk · 22/09/2019 11:17

Clearly the mum has been groomed by Mermaids. Public support has turned so Mermaids need another feel-good story so let's persuade one of our "special trans mums" to put her child in the paper. For all the talk of privacy, Mermaids sure as hell is happy to put young children out in the public eye.

And that piece is not actually designed to celebrate transgender, but to demonstrate the clear problems with it.

But Mermaids is, as always, too dimwitted to realise it.

And I've said this before on these stories.

Where are the fathers of these children? They are never in the papers talking about how inspiring it all is. The absent father is very common in these stories and nobody seems to be making any connection.

The trans lobby is very clearly and deliberately grooming single mums, who themselves come across as quite vulnerable.

TalkingintheDark · 22/09/2019 11:15

The next change won’t be for a few years when Luna starts puberty and she can choose for herself if she wants hormone blockers and medication, and whatever else she chooses. But it will be her decision, and hers only.

Does she think we should let all children on the verge of puberty make (potentially irreversible) decisions that will massively impact the rest of their life all on their own? Like whether they want to take drugs, drink alcohol, drive a car, have sex with an adult...?

Is there a reason we don’t let them do that, perhaps?

Fuck the daily Mirror for promoting this abusive shit.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 11:14

LordProf I don’t want to comment on the kid’s looks. But pre puberty boys and girls look quite similar and a boy with a traditionally female hairstyle and clothes would no doubt pass for a girl quite a lot. Obvs changes as soon as puberty hits which is why that will be when this kid will suffer real distress. He has been told that he IS a girl by Mermaids and his mum. But soon his body will betray him and it’s pretty much guaranteed that he will go for blockers, then hormones. Social transition isn’t harmless. What would be harmless would be to let him wear what he wants, grow his hair how he wants but never entertain that he actually is a girl. The problem is that sex is not neutral. We bring kids up telling them that ‘being a boy means X’ even when we think we don’t. It’s actually unsurprising that kids feel distress. However, telling them that they can change sex (rather than changing what it means to be male or female) is the complete wrong response.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 11:04

But they don’t tend to look feminine. Lots of pink and a simpering coy smile doesn’t look like any girl I know.

littlbrowndog · 22/09/2019 11:02

These are untested drugs on kids. Untested

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 11:01

littlbrowndog I suspect it was Mermaids who suggested this wonderful media opportunity to the mum. No doubt they get contacted a lot to supply a happy story of transition. Usually with the kid plastered in makeup like that Butterfly TV show just to hammer home how really feminine they are.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 10:59

Pennys of course they do. They fucking love this stuff. Apparently it’s fine to be on hormones for the rest of your life and totally not a big deal. There are no problems whatsoever. (Obv if you are a female and you are overweight or have high BP, the doctor might refuse to prescribe you low dose hormonal contraception due to the risks, but that clearly has nothing to do with it and saying that it does is literal violence).

The way that adults jump on this and say it’s brilliant is chilling. I will seriously never forget who promoted this and I hope to god they will be held to account pretty soon.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 10:59

Mum looking for a tv show perhaps?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 22/09/2019 10:56

I can't believe that Social Services don't step in

I can, firstly because regulatory capture applies to social services as much as anywhere and secondly because I am old enough to remember the whole 'recovered memory/satanic ritual child abuse nonsense and social services involvement in it.

As things stand I'm sorry to say social services are probably more likely to step in if parents refuse to go along with life long medicalisation of perfectly healthy children who don't conform to sexist stereotypes than in cases where this is being pushed by attention seeking parents/parents with MBP.