Trans 7 year old legally changes name on BC and passport.

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butteryellow sounds so much more sensible that Charlize Theron who refers to her son as her daughter.

The mother is batshit and abusive.

Twitter comments and ratio are excellent - was this particularly good example one of you lot?

Mum says "it would have been wrong to let (the kid) live a lie".

Where is the truth in telling a little boy that they can change their sex? Let kids be kids. Why push them to conform to gender stereotypes? Let them grow up and figure themselves out in their own time.

skql the whole point of being gender critical is to break down stereotypes. Otherwise you are not gender critical. If you think a skirt is only for girls and a boy can never wear one that is not being gender critical. Your solution would be to tell the little boy in this article that he can never wear a princess dress because it’s not for him. Not much better than the mum’s solution.

At school, there is no need to:
Have different uniform for boys and girls
Have different hair requirements for boys and girls
Divide boys and girls for anything other than sports (after about age 10) and toilet/changing room
Have rules about whether boys or girls can join certain clubs (other than sports)
Have girls toys and boys toys

But make clear to kids that it is impossible to change sex and that nobody should need to because there is nothing that boys can do that girls can’t in terms of toys, jobs etc.

I'm not entirely doubting that the poor child had expressed the wish to be a girl at 3,but I imagine it went more like:
Mummy, I want to play with the dolls.

Nono darling, those are for girls. Boys play football.

OK, I'm a girl mummy.

Toddlers are EXTREMELY literal.

I have gentle little boys who love baking and hate sport and quite like wearing pink. Guess I'd better get myself off to Mermaids and Primark, then.

Somewhere else in the fail there's a story about Megan Fox (woman who was in Transformers), and her kids - one of whom happily wears dresses to school occasionally, or as halloween costume, visiting Disneyland etc.

He husband and her are completely fine with all of it - they sound totally chill - he wants to wear a dress sometimes, so he wears a dress sometimes.

I know which attitude sounds more sensible to me.

@pota2

that's the ideal. i agree with you.

but it feels like some trap.(sorry bad english. i can't properly explain what i think. :( ...

but now this situation if boy wear skirts,
teacher ,social woker, peer think he's a girl.
and they put him in direct one way trans train.
and parents have no choice.
and the whole thing -gender neutral-transgender thing-is somekind of scenario.

and "why people think it's ok to boys be in girls sports?"
going yutube, kids literally think "boy=girl"
young generation think 'girls are strong as boys!
is that good?
and they says "try harder." for woman athlete.

maybe we have to teach them some difference between boy and girl.
and then teach them 'girl/boy can do anything.'
and give them some pride to be boy/girl.

(sorry my english is bad)

WHY do girls wear skirts but boys must wear trousers? WHY can girls have long hair at school but boys can’t?

Can schools in England insist on these things? By which I mean state schools obviously, private schools can set any silly rules they wish, but do state schools not have a legal obligation to educate?

I was confused by the whole banning girls wearing skirts at school thread as it simply wouldn't be possible up here. School uniform is a convention but not legally enforceable in under 16s. Every school I am familiar with has a disclaimer on their uniform policy along the lines of 'if you choose for your child not to wear uniform their education and especially entrance to exams will not be adversely effected'.

The teacher agreed, saying she noticed Luna always being the mum or sister when kids played dressing-up.

How does a child dress up as a mum or a sister? Jeans and jumper maybe? Or something else? And how does that differ from a dad or brother?

I have a son who spent from 2-7 wearing princess dresses, plying with girls, being the mum or sister in mums and dads, refusing to join in with football and putting on his sister’s clothes. He still has no interest on anything “boyish” and loves ballet and crafts.

He is a BOY a boy who doesn’t conform to stereotype, but a boy and there’s absolutely no way I’m prepared to consider he is anything different. It would have been so easy to suggest he was trans but it’s not a route we were ever going to consider

I don't often comment on these threads as it's all so.... Sigh. However I do wonder if anything has been done research wise to explore the mental health of the parents of these children? Is this angle part of the debate?

Another 70s child here. Toy shops are much more pink/blue now than there were

skql totally disagree. The answer cannot be to just carry on stupid and harmful stereotypes. Most people might be fine with them but they do cause distress, often to gay children and adults. WHY do girls wear skirts but boys must wear trousers? WHY can girls have long hair at school but boys can’t? WHY have we grouped names into male and female? Forcing people to conform is not the answer and I am pretty sure that it’s why we’re seeing this explosion of unhappiness now.

Kids 50 years ago were reading the Famous Five where a character had short hair, a boys name and liked to be called Master. Nobody suggested that this turned kids trans. Because at the time it was not an option for kids and nobody suggested that it was.

Also, we have accepted ‘tomboys’ forever but not boys liking typically female things. Why shouldn’t a boy be allowed to wear a skirt if he likes? How can you claim to be GC yet think that it’s easier if we just reinforce stereotypes and that ‘boys and girls are equal’ narratives cause problems? What am I reading?

I have posted this twice on the wrong threads this morning before getting this here, so here goes...

From the article:

Luna had only been at school a few weeks when Jeneen asked to speak to her teacher.

She explains: “It was World Book Day. I explained Luna wanted to go as Alice in Wonderland and I asked if she thought there might be more to this. The teacher agreed, saying she noticed Luna always being the mum or sister when kids played dressing-up.

So this child had been at school for a few weeks and the teacher started agreeing with the mum that there might be 'more to it' because this child always wanted to dress as the mum or sister. A child who came from a family home where there was no male in the house (it states that Jeneen is a single mum). Kids act out what they know.

I have a child in my class at the moment who loves role play and dressing up, he comes in every day and is straight over there. Occasionally he puts on a belt and a toy mobile phone in his pocket and he is 'daddy' but far more often he is in a dress at the toy cooker and giving the doll a bottle.

It's totally irrelevant!

Jaxhog it’s worse than the 1970s. I was a little kid then. I had short hair & wore my brothers hand me downs, people thought I was a boy. I played football climbed trees, wrestled my brothers. My brother played with the girls & dolls.

Nobody commented or batted an eyelid.

If We were kids now we’d both be trans

I don’t think this is the positive story mermaids think it is. I guarantee the vast majority of ppl reading it will find it baffling and ridiculous and see straight away that it is in fact ALL about the mother

That poor child

@quimreaper @pota2

i don't know... i used to think 'boy can wear skirts, boy and girls are equal... but at this point i really don't know.

before transgender culture there was gender neutral education period.
parents let their child wear dress or what you want, let sons doing makeup, long hair...

then transgender movement arrives, magically that gender neutral kids became transkids.

it feels like some trap.

and 'girls and boys are equal' this became boys in girls sports and toilet.

maybe all things like that just make children confused.

My 5 year old wanted to be a dog for about over a year, I did not go along with it, and although I didn't stop them playing at being a dog I did tell them it was impossible.
They're now in their late teens and can't believe they wanted something so ridiculous.

In 2016 Jeneen took Luna to Liverpool Pride, where Mermaids had a stall. They met a family with a trans child a year older than Luna.

Pride, Mermaids, Liverpool, Leeds. Someone needs to demolish the M62.

What is so sad, is that this trans stuff is reinforcing male/female stereotypes from the 1970s. Having fought for some sense of equality then and since, it breaks my heart to see it all unraveling. If boys want to dress like 'girls' or play with so-called 'girl's toys etc. - let them. I wanted to play with 'boys' toys growing up. Did that mean I was really a trans-man? Of course not!

My 3 year old decided he wanted to marry a tortoise! 3 year olds are just learning about the world.

Ffs

Once again the mums hailed a hero for "listening" to their child.

Mermaids get another positive intervention story.

But then it's over to the rest if us.
Over to us to go along with it. Over to us to give up our spaces to allow this to continue all the way to adult hood.

And over to us to welcome them back and provide the help should this all go wrong, the kid changes their mind and the trans community turn their back on them leaving them with no one.

How is any of this a good outcome.

And as for the changes on the birth certificates and passport, well I hope to God if anything ever happens and they do missing/run away validation doesnt take presidence over having the world look for the correct child.

QuimReaper totally agree. These things happen because boys and girls are treated differently for no good reason. Let them wear what they like and be called what they like. There is no reason to segregate boys and girls for lots of the things they currently are segregated for. And people wonder why kids grow up preferring to be the opposite sex. They always used to but now there’s the added headfuck of them being told that they actually CAN change sex whereas before they always knew it was impossible.

By coincidence today's Sunday Times contained this part of a letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell commenting on Nineteen Eighty-Four:

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.