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Trans 7 year old legally changes name on BC and passport.

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PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 08:46

I won't link the story as the child is named and there are photographs but it's easy enough to find.

This child is 7 yo ffs.
They preferred girls clothes and girls toys since the age of 3 so therefore they must be a girl.
The mum is very excited about introducing puberty blockers in a few years Hmm

The same paper is running a story highlighting the outrage that a 16 yo was offered lip fillers at several Harley Street clinics cos ya know its ILLEGAL for under 18s to have cosmetic surgery or a tattoo but puberty blockers are totally fine...

Why are we allowing this shit?
Why is it OK for 7 yo to make life changing choices but a 16 yo can't get lip fillers?

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YobaOljazUwaque · 22/09/2019 21:46

@Ali1cedowntherabbithole same thing, for some, isn't it?

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 22/09/2019 21:00

Sittinonthefloor ha ha. I must proof read x 1000!

Fortunately she swapped martyrdom for matrimony Grin

OldCrone · 22/09/2019 20:57

Even if the kid does change their mind, will they feel able to say anything?

The problems of social transition have been studied, and this is a concern.

"Given our findings that some girls, who were almost (but not even entirely) living as boys in their childhood years, experienced great trouble when they wanted to return to the female gender role, we believe that parents and caregivers should fully realize the unpredictability of their child’s psychosexual outcome. They may help the child to handle their gender variance in a supportive way, but without taking social steps long before puberty, which are hard to reverse."

Desisting and persisting gender dysphoria after childhood: A qualitative follow-up study

TheBullshitGoesOn · 22/09/2019 20:46

There is no chance that child will be able to get off the trans juggernaut even if they want to.

When I was 9 or 10 I really liked hedgehogs. I spent my pocket money on hedgehog ornaments and toys. Friends and family started giving me hedgehog themed presents.

Forty years later I still get the occasional hedgehog present or card from them. I've not had the courage tell them that I've been indifferent to hedgehogs since the age of about 13.

If I can't tell family I'm not fussed about hedgehogs, what hope for a child to tell their parents that they don't feel trans any more after the parent has invested so much effort to make it happen? Even if the kid does change their mind, will they feel able to say anything?

Sittinonthefloor · 22/09/2019 20:06

Alice - sorry to hear about the martyrdom of your classmate 🙁

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 22/09/2019 19:35

My 5 year old wanted to be a dog

Was going to paste similar. I had wannabe dogs, a worm and a hippo. A bland 'that's nice" was all the reaction I could muster and I'm happy to report that my now adult children do not reside in a zoo.

I also had a female friend at school who didn't conform to her gender stereotypes. She kept her hair short, wore uniform trousers and refused to play in the netball team because she wouldn't wear a skirt. With hindsight and adult understanding, I now believe that probably had some level of dysphoria. She loathed her large boobs that she developed at a young age and enjoyed "boys" outdoor activities as well as science and computing.

I think she had a tough time, but fortunately no one filtered her towards any kind of transitioning ideology. In reality by 18 she had begun to be more relaxed about femininity and began wearing skirts at Uni. She also martyred young and had 2 children in her 20's.

Whenever I read of anyone experiencing similar feelings I think of my friend. How she was allowed time and space to become the person she was. It's so heartbreaking that others are directed down a different path just so that others can prove how marvellous they are.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 18:21

And I prefer trousers to skirts - always have. Much easier to climb trees and over fences in trousers.

SleepingStandingUp · 22/09/2019 18:04

4 yo DS has just told me he prefers wearing dresses to trousers. It worrying to think indifferent famy what that conversation would "mean"

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 17:56

I can honestly say that I have never played football or rugby in my life. I tried cricket once and hated it!

StopThePlanet · 22/09/2019 17:56

In regards to the article, I think that any parent that would endorse these lies to their unassuming undeveloped children are fucking garbage. It is child abuse. Full stop.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 17:56

Compared to the the UK it is a girls game!

StopThePlanet · 22/09/2019 17:54

US (where soccer is very much seen as 'girls' game) boy into soccer

Where did you get that info? Lol it is completely untrue... soccer has (at least since I was a child) been a boys sport here in the US. We looked and looked for a soccer team for me when I was little to no avail (in multiple states from CA to FL). It isn't easy to find girls soccer leagues now 30+yrs later (have been actively helping my friends to try to find soccer leagues for a 7yr old and an 11yr old). And we live in a state that soccer can be played outdoors year-round (we only have about 10 days a year where the temp is under 75°F).

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 17:36

So what, these babies are telepathically saying ‘mummeeeee, I’m a boy trapped in a girls body... help meeeeeeeeee’? Is that it?

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 22/09/2019 17:35

I know a family with a trans child of a similar age, also heavily involved with Mermaids.
The mother is very adamant that this is something that's coming from the child, but was very vocal on supporting trans issues when the child was a baby and later when they 'came out' mentioned that the child only liked the clothes/toys of the opposite sex. Now that the child is a few years older, she's claiming it had nothing to do with what toys they played with.
Its very clear to anyone paying attention why the child thinks they're a different gender.

Orangepearl · 22/09/2019 17:10

I agree I really think we are going backwards in society.

This Is not a free society where anyone can be anything, where girls can have short hair and boys can play with dolls.

It’s becoming very restrictive that if your different you must conform to some sort of accepted norm.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 16:24

I was at school with a Terry and my sister was/is like your mate.

Terry is now married with loads of kids and my sister is just a boring lesbian.

RaymondStopThat · 22/09/2019 16:23

Whenn I was at school, Terry was a boy who liked playing with the girls. He was kind and gentle, and not remotely interested in what were then considered male pursuits. My female best friend had an Action Man, climbed trees and had toy cars. This was in the 70s. Everyone just accepted each other as friends then, but I wonder if they had been born into this generation, Terry in particular would have been put under pressure by the trans movement?

I desperately hope the tide will turn and anatomical and physiological mutilation of our children stops.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 16:23

Oh I do think that the officer does actually think that they can have a baby pop out of their very own, ummm, errr... belly button?

FannyCann · 22/09/2019 16:21

I believe our favourite woman’s officer said that they could have a baby.

I personally do not find it a coincidence that the Law Commission is working up to open up commercial surrogacy in the UK, with proposals to include lifting the current ban on advertising, allowing fixing agencies to charge, no upper limit on the number of surrogate pregnancies a woman can undertake and much more besides.

"Our project does not seek to examine whether or not surrogacy should be allowed. Instead, we take as our starting point that surrogacy is an accepted form of building a family, as recognised by the Department of Health and Social Care in the guidance it publishes on surrogacy arrangements:
The government supports surrogacy as part of the range of assisted conception options. Our view is that surrogacy is a pathway, starting with deciding which surrogacy organisation to work with, deciding which surrogate or intended parents to work with, reaching an agreement about how things will work, trying to get pregnant, supporting each other through pregnancy and then birth, applying for a parental order to transfer legal parenthood."

Bellasblankexpression · 22/09/2019 16:18

If three to seven year olds are so equipped to make important life decisions, why not let them get married, be in charge of their own food choices, get tattoos, etc etc

The world has gone utterly mad.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 16:05

You’d think that, but with the (hopefully on the decline) ‘golden child’ of lobby groups wading in in all their glory, anyone raising an objection would be branded the worst of the worst human being, literally killing babies.

Teflon trans is what it is.

Jocasta2018 · 22/09/2019 16:03

Shouldn't this behaviour by the mother be diagnosed as Munchausen's Syndrome By Proxy????
Rather than the child being diagnosed as trans?

Doyoumind · 22/09/2019 15:49

That's kind of the point Pota2. By the time these children are really thinking about whether they would like children of their own they will have gone down the puberty blocker and hormone route and will be stuck in their gender and unable to have biological children. Children just don't have any comprehension of what it all means.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 15:48

How confusing - in US a relative loved footie as a schoolgirl and played very well in school college. Now married to another footie mad woman.

What is the world coming to?

cwg1 · 22/09/2019 15:47

The football thing again!!! (though I must confess I only recently worked this out, though something had been niggling me.)

UK boy not into footy => 'Ooh, could be trans.'

US (where soccer is very much seen as 'girls' game) boy into soccer => ' Ooh, could be trans'. See I Am Jazz et al.

If that doesn't prove that this doesn't owe a huge amount to stereotypes, I really am a gnu.