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BBC Bitesize is teaching children being a lesbian is about gender

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stumbledin · 20/09/2019 19:00

Not sure of the age of KS3 but this is the BBC stepping in to explain sexuality.

They even have a test to tells you you are wrong if you dont agree with gender being about sexuality.

And they have support links to LGB++++++++++ groups but nothing for young people who are heterosexual, especailly young women are being pressurised by pornified boys and men

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zhvbt39/articles/z6smbdm

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Fraggling · 23/09/2019 15:53

Well done!

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:53

Though slightly odd that they imply I should be happy with incorrect information

Fraggling · 23/09/2019 15:53

Crikey

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:52

Pleased to see they have called the changes “corrections”

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:50

Thanks for getting in touch about our Learning for Life and work content.

We were sorry to hear you were unhappy with some of the wording.

We would like to assure you we worked with teachers, CCEA and curriculum experts so we felt confident in publishing the content; however as a result of user feedback like yours, we have now made some corrections.

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us.

Kind Regards

BBC Complaints Team

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/09/2019 15:47

They’ve changed it!

“Gay: attracted to people of the same sex. This term is used by both men and women.

Lesbian: attracted to people of the same sex. This term refers specifically to women.”

“We may be male, but feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a female.

We may be a female, but feel more comfortable thinking of ourselves as a male.

When we feel this way, we are transgender.”

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stumbledin · 23/09/2019 00:28

Thought I should come back and say that of course the 50s weren't perfect.

There were too many incidents when non conforming people, whether in dress, aspiration or sexuality where forcibly medically "cured".

And intersex children had terrible damage done to them.

That's why it is so hard to understand that people are now choosing what used to be a state enforced medical correction being something people are willingly choosing. Or have been brainwashed into thinking they should choose it.

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Fraggling · 22/09/2019 15:28

That mostly attracted for Gay and lesbian is outrageous homophobia

What are they thinking

They aren't

Also pleased to hear I'm transgender

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 22/09/2019 15:06

What next witch trials?

They are already happening, except the nuspeak now calls us TERF instead of witch

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stumbledin · 22/09/2019 01:08
Angry

Its madness. I grew up in the 50s.

Nobody would have said or thought anything so reactionary.

So okay, you would maybe be seen as a bit of an outsider, but nobody would have suggested mutilating their body or insisted that people use the wrong pronouns.

Is the world going into retrograde.

What next witch trials?

Sad
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Birdsfoottrefoil · 22/09/2019 00:55

The teaching unions have been assimilated into the borg

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stumbledin · 22/09/2019 00:54

This must be one of the most heartbreaking things I've heard said:

"’ve spent the morning servicing a not car minded man’s vehicle. His kids were talking to me about why a girl was fixing a car because boys like cars. I said woman and girls can fix cars and enjoy it too.
And the 12 year old, who knows I like fantasy films and model making, asked if I thought I was a boy. I said no and she said her school had said girls who liked boy things were boys and said it was safe for me to say so. I said no, I’m a girl, I have a boyfriend and don’t want to be a boy. Her confusion was palpable. "

This is indoctrination. Teachers and parent should be ashamed of themselves for it to have got this far.

Trans is no longer about body dismorphia. This has become some sort of mass experiement in thought control - and it seems to be working.

If any other cult somehow got itself imbedded into a school people would be raising all sorts of complaints.

Now you can only be fully accepted into society if you publicly show your allegiance to nu-speak and turn a blind eye to consequences of that IRL.

Is it worth tryin to contact any of the teaching unions?

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CountFosco · 21/09/2019 22:55

Is it possible to approach the head and ask them their views on gender and sex? I've never been a fan of homeschooling but my god, I feel sick reading all this.

My DC are well aware of my GC views and the eldest (a gender non-conforming DD: she has short hair!!! and plays football!!!) know what you like is personality not gender, she's also very alert to gender stereotypes. I think you can inculcated them against this nonsense.

Rubidium · 21/09/2019 21:34

The outcome of all this crap is demonstrated in this film, also from the Beeb:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49768360/discussing-pansexuality-and-non-binary-gender-identity

The young person who is the focus of the film regards themselves as being pansexual and non-binary. What I see in this film is a bisexual young woman, albeit one who is, or certainly has been in the past, unhappy and confused.

"Things like pansexuality and non-binary...do sort of deviate quite far from the norm," they say. Really? What is this 'norm', where does it come from and who dictates it?

She is dressed in the same way that I and many of my contemporaries dressed when I was 20, in the early 90s, i.e. jeans, Dr Martens, T shirt, shirt. Sometimes our hair was short, sometimes long. We drank pints of beer; bitter in my case. Yet we were all fully female young women, none of us doubted that. Blokes didn't either. And if you're gay, straight, bi: who cares?

God love her Mum, though. "I never really looked at you as being in a certain category, you were just Sophie."

Morrigan6424 · 21/09/2019 21:33

As an aside, the DSM is widely criticised as being more about medicalisation and the power of pharmaceutical companies in America. So I would not take too much notice of what is included or removed from this 'auspcious' tome.

surfsandterfs · 21/09/2019 21:19

Trying to go through schools for DC1 absolutely bricking it now.

Is it possible to approach the head and ask them their views on gender and sex? I've never been a fan of homeschooling but my god, I feel sick reading all this.

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/09/2019 18:11

the only way you're allowed to be exclusively attracted to women (the biological, cunt-owning kind) is to announce you're in fact a "straight transman."

Bingo.

Then you will be celebrated and allowed to define your own emotions, identity and sexual preferences and these will be respected.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 21/09/2019 17:41

They give ‘bisexual’, ‘asexual’, even ‘pansexual’, so why no mention of the words ‘heterosexual’ and ‘homosexual’?

OrchidInTheSun · 21/09/2019 17:06

Bing transgender is as natural as being anorexic. It's a mental health issue (and for those who are going to jump on me saying that it's been removed from the DSM, if it isn't a mental health condition, it doesn't need treatment of any kind).

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/09/2019 17:02

Sneaky bastards.

Many people feel uncomfortable with the idea that there are other sexualities besides being straight and that people can identify with a gender that is different to their sex.

I am 100% onboard with sexuallities other than straight, and I suspect most other Brits are too (and certainly most Gc women). I acknowledge that there are people who "identify" with gender. What I do not acknowledge is that having genderfeels changes your sex, or entitles you to use spaces or services designated for the sex which you are not. I would also gently suggest that perhaps you do a little soul searching as to what exactly you think you're identifying with, since in every case so far when I've asked the person has basically vomited up a selection of sexist stereotypes right out of the 1950s at me.

MrGHardy · 21/09/2019 16:59

"Being transgender, however, is natural."

Well, that is highly dependent what you mean by transgender and what you mean by natural.

"You should take time to work through your feelings and find what is right for you."

You should? I never gave it an iota of a thought.

"and that people can identify with a gender that is different to their sex"

So sex is gender now or what? Just above you called sex physical and gender psychological. Unless of course gender is nothing but bs stereotypes. Hmmmm. Does this mean everyone who rejects society's view of what one should be given one's sex is transgender? I guess every masculine woman and feminine man are transgender then, huh BBC?

LangCleg · 21/09/2019 16:52

Everything BarbaraStrozzi said.

And just that internal shudder you get when you see grooming going on in plain sight and it's by a nationally respected institution.

I once wanted to write in to Jim'll Fix It when I was a child and was outraged when my dad said "NO. Under no circumstances. That man is a pervert plain as day and the BBC is bigging him up. Pick another show. An ITV one." And no matter how much I wheedled and begged, he wouldn't relent.

I now see exactly how he felt.

Aaarrgghhh · 21/09/2019 16:39

What do they mean by mostly attracted.. surely if you are gay you are only attracted to those of the same sex, and the same goes for lesbians. What the fuck does mostly mean? If you like both then you’re bisexual fs.

EverylittleAlps · 21/09/2019 15:19

The Radio drama that Helmet mentioned above is from 2014 - you can listen to it now: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v2ynx

I have just been listening to the first episode, which asserts that puberty blockers are fully reversible, and when the consultant is asked about whether they will affect Amy's fertility, she replies "that's a good question - like all drugs, there are pros and cons".

From the credits: This affectionate drama was inspired by real life experiences.

Thanks to Susie Green and the parents at Mermaids and the Tavistock Clinic.

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