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Trudeau and double standards

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Artesia · 19/09/2019 18:04

Apparently Justin Trudeau has apologised for photos which have emerged of him with “blackface” make up. I am dying for someone to ask him why donning a costume and make up to mimic another race is offensive and worthy of apology, yet dressing up in “woman face” and demanding to be given full women’s rights should be applauded as stunning and brave.

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ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 20/09/2019 08:20

What on earth does his privileged background have to do with the price of butter?

This was 2001, everyone knew blackface was considered offensive in 2001. Hell, everyone has known it for as long as I can remember and I'm two years younger than Tradeau.

What he actually means is 'I'm a spoiled little rich boy who thinks the rules don't apply to me, you know, like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump, but with a prettier face'.

RoyalCorgi · 20/09/2019 08:18

I feel that Trudeau has been hoist by his own woke petard.

I can't stand the man. He's all about the self-publicity and presenting himself as some paragon of liberal virtue. He's not. Self-ID has been immensely harmful for women in Canada. The Kinder Morgan pipeline will be devastating for Indigenous peoples and wildlife:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/14/trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion-trudeau-indigenous-communities

He's a vile little man. As for the blackface, well, once might be forgivable, but three times? Come on. This is a man who must have actively enjoyed mocking black people.

Jillyhilly · 20/09/2019 08:14

What am I missing here?

You’re missing that the left has lost its mind and that the rules of identity politics, which we’re all being forced to goose-step along with, are utterly pitiless. You are racist, I am racist, a 6 year old child is racist, a man who touches a woman’s knee is a misogynist, not believing that a man can be a woman makes you a transphobe. Under the new rules everything you’ve ever said or done can be used against you to bring you down and you’ll be forced to confess and apologise in front of a jeering crowd before they destroy your career. What’s in your heart in unimportant because the rule-makers know better even than you what your true beliefs are.

I hope that the lovely photos of your daughter as Princess Jasmine never surface because they will no doubt be used as evidence of her racism in years to come. Hmm

MockersthefeMANist · 20/09/2019 08:10

"Blackface has only recently been understood to be offensive..."

That statement ranks with the one about Columbus 'discovering' America in 1492.

Regards Trudeau's upbringing, his dad insisted he went to the local comp on the same bus as the other kids, so he did. ....with a police escort.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 20/09/2019 07:39

In his statement He expressed deep regret, and declared that his privileged background left a blind spot to such racist acts

Yep. Frat boy.

BarbaraStrozzi · 20/09/2019 07:27

The guy's gonna need a cat graveyard soon.

Polishing his environmental credentials while letting the oil industry run pipelines through indigenous lands.

Wringing his hands over the huge numbers of murdered indigenous women while achieving precisely nothing.

Sacking his (indigenous, female) attorney general when she asked too many awkward questions about his cosy relationship with major property developers.

The really tragic thing for Canada is that the conservative opposition will be several orders of magnitude worse. (Think of the way the Harper government gagged government scientists.)

Jillyhilly · 20/09/2019 07:26

I don’t think anyone really believes that Trudeau is racist, do they? Not very bright, yes; desperate to be liked, yes; but racist, no.

The more interesting point is that it’s a tangled web we weave when we go around accusing everyone else of racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, cultural appropriation and all the rest of it. Human beings do stupid things, particularly when they’re young, and they don’t deserve to be destroyed for their stupidity. But by the rules set by the woke left - rules the rest of us know are insane - Trudeau should now by turned on and destroyed by his own. If he’s not, the blatant hypocrisy of a left-wind movement that’s lost its mind, is exposed yet again and that can only be a good thing.

AnyOldPrion · 20/09/2019 07:02

But is this a dead cat moment? What is being buried under this mountain of outrage? Are new anti-women laws under review?

BitchyArriver · 20/09/2019 01:45

Off topic to an extent, but IME that just isn’t accurate. I’ve known from certainly my early 1990s university days, if not before, that it was totally not ok

Same.! I was born in the very early 80’s and as a young child I was told my my mum that Gollywogs were wrong and offensive.

GothMummy · 20/09/2019 01:39

Slightly off topic but a previous poster mentioned that it was not the done thing now for little girls to dress as Princess Jasmine. What is wrong with Princess Jasmine? All the little girls in my daughter's class loved the recent live action film, have the Disney store princess Jasmine dress and dolls... What am I missing here?

JanesKettle · 19/09/2019 23:27

I knew drag was fucking tasteless by the 1980's too.

JanesKettle · 19/09/2019 23:24

I'm the same age as JT. I knew it was tasteless at best as a kid. 1970's. Not buying this 'oh, nobody knew it was wrong back then in 2001'!!

nauticant · 19/09/2019 22:41

This is Trudeau's world:

postmediatorontosun.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/jt-kevin-spacey-2.jpg

He's the one on being on the right side of history.

Knitclubchatter · 19/09/2019 22:34

actually frat boy sums it up perfectly well.
i was involved in costumes and shows and in 2001, where i was in canada, make up to play the part would have not caused anyone to bat an eye.
not much different than andrew shear's position on homophobia from the 1990's or before.
different times different places different things were seen as okay.
but i still don't like JT and his politics of spending.

Sarahjconnor · 19/09/2019 22:34

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FannyCann · 19/09/2019 22:25

Plus the positioning of his hands in that photo gives me the horrors. Who the hell puts their hand on a woman's chest like that?

nauticant · 19/09/2019 22:22

The marvellous thing about this is that had these photos emerged of a political opponent, Trudeau and his allies would have taken the greatest delight possible in using the photos to destroy the opponent. They would have been merciless.

But right now we're being told that because Trudeau is on the right side of history, all of this must be disregarded because, well, it's Trudeau, he's a good guy. In other words, you don't look at what people do, the only thing that counts is how identify. Like Yaniv.

JoyceJeffries · 19/09/2019 22:19

Black face was absolutely not ok in 2001. He’s a dick.

nauticant · 19/09/2019 22:04

I think loads of people had realised by 2001 that this was dodgy. But others, within particular enclaves, still thought is was fine. What this tells us is the world Trudeau inhabited and it's fair to assume still inhabits to some degree. That's what he's desperate to shut this down.

It's pretty similar to Prince Harry dressing as a Nazi for a laugh. Everyone in his world thought it was hilarious. Many outside saw arrogance and privilege.

Goosefoot · 19/09/2019 21:47

No idea about the other one, really. But my point was simply that the sense of what that means has changed, it includes more things, and the reason people think it is problematic is often different, too.

Identity politics have substantial changed the way people think about this, it's now seen as an offence against identity, which is not how most people understood it at the turn of the millennium.

servalan7 · 19/09/2019 21:40

What was the context for blacking up and singing Day-O? Or the weird video of him blacked up?
I'm with SonEtL frat-boy.

Goosefoot · 19/09/2019 21:23

at the time and in that context it just wasn't seen as wrong because it wasn't done to mock or offend.

Right.

The event Trudeau was at was a dress-up party with an Arabian Nights theme, that's the context. People were supposed to dress up like characters from The Arabian Nights. The whole thing wouldn't go over today, but it obviously did then and lots of people were there. Arabian type costumes weren't uncommon at that point, you still had plenty of little girls dressing up as the Disney Princess from Aladdin at that point which is now controversial and generally not done. I remember going to a Halloween party around that tie with a bellydancer costume, and a pregnant nun with a priest.

SonEtLumiere · 19/09/2019 21:14

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nauticant · 19/09/2019 21:12

2001: Trudeau does blackface.
2018: Trudeau does Indianface.

He doesn't seem to learn does he?

20??: Trudeau does womanface.

servalan7 · 19/09/2019 21:07

Juells not these Morris dancers they were dressed as black US footballers in an area hundreds of miles from the sea.

Trudeau has shafted indigenous Canadians with the Trans Mountain pipeline too, he's a hypocrite of the highest order.