Trudeau and double standards

If absolute physical/ genetic realities are 'immaterial' in the pursuit of individualistic expression, then this must apply across the board?

You'd think so, but logic has nothing to do with feelz, apparently.

Or, as someone pointed out, he may have been using Terf blocker so he couldn't see the women's responses, which is an even more depressing thought.)

He wasn't, as the people he was ignoring wouldn't have been able to see his posts if that were the case. It could be down to Twitter "deboosting" shenanigans that he couldn't see them, which is also depressing.

When I first heard reports of this, simply along the lines of “dressing up” as a mythical character, I didn’t understand what the problem was. Wasn’t sure how doing what actors in role do all the time was racist. I thought he had simply been in Arabian costume.
Then I saw the photos, first the Aladdin and then the awful video with the Afro wig and singing. Boy oh boy! No one could have any be left in doubt after seeing those.
Someone mentioned the Black and White Minstrels. I was taken to a pantomime in the early 1970s where they performed. Even then, as a little girl, I felt that there was something very wrong about it. We lived in Brixton and I had friends of many nationalities. I can remember even now how uncomfortable it made me feel. I must have been 7 or 8. Mr. Trudeau was 29.

And the BBC are about to screen Ru Paul’s Drag Race. Celebrating men dressing up as women.

No irony.

I wonder what the response would be if a white man identified as a black woman? He may identify with aspects of 'black culture' more than with 'white culture', as well as identifying more as 'a woman' more than as ' a man', and might want to resemble and be taken for what and who he truly feels himself to be.

If he can signal gender identity by appropriating the outward physical characteristics and dress of a woman why not fully express his 'black identity' with the use skin darkening products or make-ups, and by visiting a black hair dresser?

What's the difference,? is there any? I think not; although I can imagine many on the 'woke' left being outraged at the suggestion.
If absolute physical/ genetic realities are 'immaterial' in the pursuit of individualistic expression, then this must apply across the board?

It was gaslighting the nation, live on TV that I have to take my hat off to.
In his apology (in which he still managed to sound like he was lecturing us for something we'd all done wrong) where he said "Though Canada was a great country, there was so much left to do."
Then incredulously " People of colour still suffer institutionalised racism in Canadian schools!"
No shit, .....said the man who was a 29yr old white teacher, who thought it was a hoot to wear black blackface at a school event!
Hahaha. The man has balls like king Kong.
He has said he doesn't know how many times he did this or if there are more pictures likely to surface. Even allowing for the lefts ability show double standards and bend over backwards when dealing with this I think one more will be the end of him.
To be honest I've always half expected him to be revealed as a me too groper.

...and don't see anything wrong with 'womanface', think it's hilarious, and believe that men can become women by just saying so.

Yes. There was an interesting moment on Twitter a few days ago. Richard Herring said he didn't see the problem with using people's preferred pronouns, and it was just polite. Couldn't understand why so many people were making a fuss about it. Lots of people replied explaining why it was such an important issue and not anything to do with politeness, citing Yaniv etc. And after a while someone noticed that Herring was replying to all the men, but not to any of the women. So Herring, who probably imagines he's not in the slightest bit sexist, still took the men more seriously than the women. (Or, as someone pointed out, he may have been using Terf blocker so he couldn't see the women's responses, which is an even more depressing thought.)

It's in much the same way that there are millions of men who wouldn't dream of hitting or sexually assaulting a woman, but still think that women really aren't quite as clever or as able as men are

But you’re doing exactly the same identity politics thing here. You don’t know what “millions of men” think. You are lumping a massive group of people together and ascribing negative characteristics to them. It’s a very unfair and unsophisticated way of viewing groups of people.

And people are actually (still, just about) allowed to have messy, bad, angry, complicated, confused, hateful thoughts - thoughts about other people - inside the privacy of their own head. Very often this doesn’t actually result in bad behaviour. We all do it, and it is part of being human. I hate my boss and have all sorts is nasty fantasies about him, but I’m actually able to get through the days without murdering him.

So much of modern life encourages an internal focus rather than an external one. Of course, it is important to be aware of one's own inner self - but too much self absorption is not healthy.

People walking around the streets with ear-phones on, or looking at their hand held device. No awareness of the world or the people around them. Actively shutting it out and living instead in tailor made, individualistic worlds.

Political correctness and identity politics has become insane. The contradictions within it are bound, always, to be exposed.

Don’t they say that every revolution ends by eating its own? Hopefully the identity politics revolution is heading in that direction too.

Live by the woke sword die by the woke sword, I hope

This is it, isn't it? Political correctness and identity politics has become insane. The contradictions within it are bound, always, to be exposed.

Imagine the insane slathering hysteria if there was a pic of trump dressed this way.

Live by the woke sword die by the woke sword, I hope

The learning point from this is that we all need to try harder and call out racism wherever we see it

Jesus, can we not just progress to a point where we can live our lives as individuals and not be so obsessed with rootling out racist (or homophobic or transphobic or sexist) thought-crime in ourselves and others? Frankly I really don’t want to have to go around “trying harder” and endlessly “calling out” each and every transgression I see or uncover from someone else’s boring, inconsequential past life.

It's in much the same way that there are millions of men who wouldn't dream of hitting or sexually assaulting a woman, but still think that women really aren't quite as clever or as able as men are.

...and don't see anything wrong with 'womanface', think it's hilarious, and believe that men can become women by just saying so.

Oh, come on. Do you REALLY think Justin Trudeau was or is a secret racist? That he secretly has always despised people of other ethnicities and races? That all this time he’s been masquerading as the World Champion of Diversity in an attempt to secretly spread his white supremacy views?

No, I don't think he has "always despised people of other ethnicities and races". I don't imagine he's some type of Adolf Hitler character. But there are degrees of racism, and I think wearing blackface demonstrates an unpleasant mockery of black people, and a casual insensitivity to their feelings.

It's in much the same way that there are millions of men who wouldn't dream of hitting or sexually assaulting a woman, but still think that women really aren't quite as clever or as able as men are.

@servalan7
Juells not these Morris dancers they were dressed as black US footballers in an area hundreds of miles from the sea.

Thanks for the explanation*

I don't accept at all the point made by PPs that it wasn't known at the time that 'brown face' was insulting. He must be oblivious if he didn't know.

*that comes across as being sarcastic, but is meant as a genuine 'thanks for the information' 😳

This story says NOTHING about JT’s racism and everything about the hideous nature of identity politics. He is now caught by the horrible set of authoritarian rules that HE helped devise. He would have leapt on the bandwagon of scorn if it has been someone else wearing blackface to that party. The rules of identity politics don’t work and the more the hypocrisy of those who devise them is exposed, the better

Absolutely!

“How do you look someone in the eye that has mocked the lived reality that I have lived – but, more importantly, what a lot of Canadians have lived,” said Jagmeet Singh, leader of the New Democratic party.

The comparisons are obvious. I hope some brave journalist makes this a very public one.

This story says NOTHING about JT’s racism and everything about the hideous nature of identity politics. He is now caught by the horrible set of authoritarian rules that HE helped devise.

I couldn't agree more. Also I think it would suit JT for discussion to be about racism. At that point he can do a mea culpa, say "It saddens me to learn that somewhere deep down I'm a little bit racist. But then doesn't that apply to all of us? The learning point from this is that we all need to try harder and call out racism wherever we see it."

I don’t think anyone really believes that Trudeau is racist, do they? Not very bright, yes; desperate to be liked, yes; but racist, no.

Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidité.

I have to admit the position of Trudeau's hand in the photo is well dodgy.

I've loads of drunken photos from my youth where we have our arms slung round each other but none have a bloke with his hand like that - not even with couples in shot. The only thing that comes close is one where the group is in the process of falling over.

I really hope she was his girlfriend.

This is a man who must have actively enjoyed mocking black people.

Oh, come on. Do you REALLY think Justin Trudeau was or is a secret racist? That he secretly has always despised people of other ethnicities and races? That all this time he’s been masquerading as the World Champion of Diversity in an attempt to secretly spread his white supremacy views?

Nobody really thinks this, surely?

You don’t know what was in his mind when he did this. (Very little, I’d imagine, as per usual with JT). We all need to stop playing the thought-crime game. It’s revolting, divisive and incredibly destructive.

This story says NOTHING about JT’s racism and everything about the hideous nature of identity politics. He is now caught by the horrible set of authoritarian rules that HE helped devise. He would have leapt on the bandwagon of scorn if it has been someone else wearing blackface to that party. The rules of identity politics don’t work and the more the hypocrisy of those who devise them is exposed, the better.

/slight derail

I think loads of people had realised by 2001 that this was dodgy. But others, within particular enclaves, still thought is was fine. What this tells us is the world Trudeau inhabited and it's fair to assume still inhabits to some degree. That's what he's desperate to shut this down.
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It's pretty similar to Prince Harry dressing as a Nazi for a laugh. Everyone in his world thought it was hilarious. Many outside saw arrogance and privilege.*

I agree with the first paragraph but I don't agree it is similar to Prince Harry wearing a swastika to a fancy dress party (he wasn't dressed in full Nazi regalia)

I was quite bemused at the time that he was slated so much but the fact that young aristocrats thought it was ok to have a fancy dress party themed "colonials and natives" in 2005 passed without comment.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm

Colonials and natives to me recalls the mindset of "civilized for the conquerers and barbaric for the indigenous people" - it's how colonials viewed the world. I always felt that choosing to wear a swastika as a colonial costume was a bit of a barbed jab at people (in his enclave) with that mindset.

William was far smarter and went dressed as a lion thus avoiding unfortunate photos dressed in "native" costume (unacceptable) or "colonials" (possibly unacceptable if he chose the wrong type of colonial)

Trudeau blaming his privileged background for landing him in this mess is actually an affluenza defence.

What he actually means is 'I'm a spoiled little rich boy who thinks the rules don't apply to me

What’s even worse Arnold is that he is using his privilege as an excuse. Read one report in which he referred to his background and ‘white privilege’ as the reason why he made this mistake!

I agree with posters who say his liberalism has just really been a tick box exercise. Sad really as there was a lot of hope when he was elected.