Parents objecting to male nursery staff changing nappies

Two women a week is a drop in the ocean out of the 32 million (likely more now) women in the UK, despite obviously still being horrific. I'm talking about non fatal violence and life destroying bullying/victimisation which is infinitely more common.

I can post the studies from the other thread but don't want to derail.

Studies such as which LordRandall?

Mysterian I dare say they do. And also they are campaigning to be able to change nappies among other things according to the link the OP posted: one of their campaign goals is:

“Legislation/guidance to end gender-discriminatory policies on intimate care in early years.”

Whatever that means.

I'm not aware that 2 men a week are being murdered by their intimate partners. What is the source of these facts?

Having read the article again, I think it is profoundly dishonest for the discussion there not to acknowledge the facts about male violence. Yes, women abuse, too, but men abuse 50 times more often.

If we're talking solely child abuse then you're likely right, but with intimate partner abuse the jury is out ad many more recent studies in fact show women to be more abusive to their partners - they suggest that the difference in results is because men are less stigmatized about speaking up nowadays and because female violence has tripled in the last decade to an all time high.

Some men are campaigning to be able to change nappies - nope, some men want to be allowed to do their job and to be treated fairly.

Yes, the people being discriminated against should thank the person doing it for labelling them a probable paedophile. There are some bloody ungrateful victims about aren't there?

Err who is calling anyone a probable paedophile? No one. Some people have shared some statistics relevant to safeguarding and sexual abuse.

Some men are campaigning to be able to change nappies I personally would be happier not doing so. No relation to your additional comments at all, you are just making stuff up to argue with.

Where do you stop? No male doctors, Carers, Surgions, nurses, nursery nurses, swim teachers, scout leaders, any teachers. ? Because all of those jobs rely on a certain amount of trust and have been used in the past by abusers to get access yto the vulnarable. This is why we have safeguarding. And women do abuswe and also facilitate abuse.

Most of the youth stabbings, that is such a concern at the moment, are committed by kids who are not white, so by your twisted logic....

So women wary of the possibility of Male abuse are like racists? Interesting perspective.

Nursery wouldn’t have employed him if they thought anything dodgy could happen

Well obviously. Yet sometimes dodgy things happen nevertheless. If childcare employers could eliminate all abusers in advance there would be no issue.

No nappy changing is my idea of positive discrimination.

Yes, the people being discriminated against should thank the person doing it for labelling them a probable paedophile. There are some bloody ungrateful victims about aren't there?

If it was the other way round & women were being discriminated against there would be uproar!

Maybe, although I have never met any women fighting to be able to change more nappies. No nappy changing is my idea of positive discrimination.

But here we are back again , to women having to justify and have some approved list of reasons as to why they are wary of men.

Exactly, it does get tiring having to battle against woman and men to justify why people will be more waryof men, especially when they are put in a position of trust with and extremely vulnerable children. You have to justify why some people wouldn't want to take that extra risk when it comes to the most precious things in their life.
People shouldn't need to justify why they feel that way, they feel that way because it is statistical fact that most child csa cases happen at the hands of men.
Also I would imagine that there aren't very many cases of csa in nurseries because there are so few men working in nurseries compared to woman. I would be interested to see what the stats are when nursery workers are split 50/50 men and women.

No i dont think child care is passing kids about.

I do think that sometimes its often the mother who has to cobble something together when school has an.inset day, the child is too sick for nursery, and grandparents can only take til 3 o clock or whatever rather than the man take a day off or not go to their very outing hobby fir one day means that there is some unnecessary dropping off and picking up and different times or different places.

Mums having to call on neighbours or pouncing on someone as they walk past the house to take their kids to school and the resulting pick up panic etc

Because there seem to be many many threads on MN where it's made unnecessarily difficult when the mum is really ill or the child is really ill because the husband wont give up his time

to avoid passing the kids about do they.

Is that what you think putting children in childcare is?

But just because men get to swoop in at the end and act the hero

Okay, I get it.
"Why don't men do anything?"
They do.
"But but but...".

They dont give up their time or hobbies or take a day off work to avoid passing the kids about do they.

Yes they do.

No women vigilante groups though?

Actually they are sometimes involved.
One of the groups I was reading about had a woman near the top, coordinating. She may have even been the one messaging the paedophiles, but it was men that went round to do the "arrest".

Of course I've heard of the groups.

But just because men get to swoop in at the end and act the hero well they doesnt negate the fact that they dont always do much to prevent their own children getting into situations. They dont give up their time or hobbies or take a day off work to avoid passing the kids about do they.

Whilst it is true that the majority of abuse cases are by men, it is not ALL men and there are case when women are the abusers too. For me it comes down to the fact that we need to open our eyes to child abuse but not assume that everyone and anyone is a child abuser. You cannot go around making assumptions about people because of what the majority of them do, that is not right. So if men cannot change girls nappies can women not change boys?? Personally I think it is ridiculous and narrow minded to insist that male staff cannot provide care to young children. What year are we actually living in?

Great shout KellyHall.
Agree totally.

No women vigilante groups though?

Why is that...let me think...

Shame they cant put their money where their mouth is though.
It's just words...that's all it ever is

Are you completely unaware of the anti-paedophile viligante groups???
I'm astounded you haven't heard of these groups that ensnare paeodophiles online, meet them in person then hand them over to the police.
It's wilfully disingenous to say it's all talk and men do nothing.

What it has done is make me look at safeguarding very very carefully.

Exactly. Anywhere, safeguarding is the key, not avoiding an entire sex altogether.

Even the screename is an attempt at provocation.

Shame they cant put their money where their mouth is though.

Look after their own kids on their days off so they dont have to go to nursery. Or give up their hobby once in a while so the wife doesn't have to drop the kid off at a nursery or neighbours or uncle Pauls house...

It's just words...that's all it ever is