Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

(Not sure what the answer is)

Well said Tinsel.. As a retired widget maker you might even have insights into ways and means for improving conditions in widget factories.

cuntamong I had friends who stripped while we were going through uni, and fared okay with it. It’s good to hear varying perspectives.

I also know of women who did not fare well. I’m not sure what the question is. Is there an adult industry union over there?

By what Courtney said though, I took to mean that she was saying workers "dodgy behaviour" wouldn't be representative of the entire industry as a whole

Courtney said the evidence was bollocks. All 200 instances.

In fact Courtney said 'That just didn't happen'.

Tentacle
By what Courtney said though, I took to mean that she was saying workers " dodgy behaviour" wouldn't be representative of the entire industry as a whole.
Not that bad things never happen at all.

It is unusual, I think, for workers to care more for the reputation of their industry than they do for the fellow individuals working in it.

Unless they have some kind of financial interest in the success of the industry I suppose.

And those claiming that their dodgy behaviour in that factory was the norm or that they were forced to by the factory management, (to try and save face, rather than admit they were entirely responsible for choosing to behave poorly themselves) represent the rest of us in no way either.

I just don't know who to believe. The ones with documented evidence or the pile on here telling everyone how rosy it is and that bad stuff never happens.

@TinselAngel

I get what you're saying.

What we're saying is, wow, ok, I don't know what happened in that widget factory, because we've worked in 20 and never experienced it. It's not the face of our industry. It's by no means representative.

And those claiming that their dodgy behaviour in that factory was the norm or that they were forced to by the factory management, (to try and save face, rather than admit they were entirely responsible for choosing to behave poorly themselves) represent the rest of us in no way either.

And we're being told by people who have only theoretical knowledge that we're liars.

I don't understand, if the strippers are not being paid to strip; then why are they called strippers and getting their kit off, in strip clubs?

It is very confusing.

Imagine if a story broke about how badly the workers in your local widget factory were treated.

If I was a retired widget maker from the factory in the next town, the last thing I would do would be to go around shouting about how making widgets is actually a great and rewarding career, and we shouldn't focus on this particular factory because it's unrepresentative of the widget industry as a whole.

I certainly wouldn't shout over discussions about the widget makers, distract those sympathetic to them and make the conversation all about me. Neither would I expect people from outside the industry but who are oddly invested in widget production to assist with the silencing of the widget makers by repeatedly diverting and derailing any discussion about them.

In fact, as a Trade Unionist, my first thought would be to consider how I can help widget makers less privileged than myself, and what ways the workers could organise for better working conditions.

Widget makers of the world, unite.

cunt

Im trying to understand so please dont stop posting and trying to explain

@CuntAmongstThePigeons

I know!!!! It does sound implausible, and it's exactly what I thought when I first started hearing/thinking about strip clubs. But honestly it's not!

And this is what I think people really struggle to get, if you haven't lived it it just seems utterly preposterous. But I've found being unapologetic, asking difficult questions has for whatever reason worked. Customers come back again and again and again. They could hire a prostitue for the night for a fraction of the price but they don't. I don't know why I wish I did.

Honestly, give up trying to explain. I've said exactly this several times. They only understand from their level of comprehension, tell us we're liars, tell us we're myths. I know you know that. Every dancer knows that. It's not like we haven't been sick of this tripe for years now.

They've got zero actual, real experience of the industry, and yet one of them tells me my ten year career and the things that happened in it are "all in my head"

That's literally the level you're dealing with here. Pointless trying to educate from the view of the real, actual dancing majority. They can't bear to accept it. These amazing feminists.

Anyways, glad to see yet another one of us attempting to get through that stories like this are the exception not the rule. I mean, you get ignored/belittled/called a liar exactly same as me, but again, this ain't mamas first rodeo with these lot, yours neither

I am not keen on the talk of ‘sides’

I dont have a side...especially on this subject and thread where i am trying to read about the different experiences

With regard to the clubs only (not any discussion on the rights and wrongs) it seems to be that there are clubs which obey the rules and others that quite obviously dont

It would be interesting to hear from posters with experience what they think would solve that problem. I did like the posters suggestion upthread of the clubs losing their license and new management

I used to be all for choice until I started coming to these boards. Doing so made me realise a lot of the things I thought women where entitled to make their own mind up about, where harmful to my daughters, to myself and to all women in society.

Great if you have 'worked' as a stripper and had a good experience, but because sex industries survive women and girls are trafficked, exploited, coerced, raped, more likely to be drug addicts and sometimes financially feel they have no other choice, which is a problem in itself. In the tiny sex industry where men 'work', these issues are no where near as prevalent.

There are lots of things we aren't free to do by choice, legally anyway, because those things are harmful to ourselves or to others or they cause disruption to a civilised society, why is this any different?

I truly feel sorry for any woman who feels empowered by a man buying her body with cash.

It is very 'not all strip clubs' violate 200 rules in 20 minutes.

I’m late to this thread and finding it confusing.

Isn’t the OP about women at a club who experienced wrongful treatment in breach of regulations? Shouldn’t those women be centred here?

If you are or were in the industry without experiencing similar, that’s good for you but how is it relevant to the OP?

I may be misreading, but it’s almost as though the allegedly positive experiences of some, is being used to discredit the suffering of other women.

Sorry the random pics, ugh etc has nothing to do with me and were posted before my post.

MsMelanie. Of course I don't speak for the masses, nor do you. I'm putting forward an argument against the commodification of sex globally in a chat forum. The only counter argument I've heard is if women want to do it that makes it all ok. But there's lots of things that aren't ok just because some individual wants to do it. That's when society has to make a decision as to what it feels is acceptable for all. At present lap dancing is seen as ok if properly regulated (which clearly is problematic in some cases). I disagree. That's all.

Not sure mamellos post makes it any clearer as she posted after all the pic, urgh no"bollocks if that's what you're referring to?...
FFS, yes all this cryptic bollocks is confusing (not aimed at you) just say what you (general you!) mean in the first place lol and all this would be avoided

@RosesAndRaindrops

It was @Mamello ‘s post

Both men and women don't work in female lap dancing clubs

Doesn't that statement give you pause for thought?

Isn't it a bit peculiar that an "industry" exists which is only staffed by women?

Of course there are heavy industries where are few if any women for sound physical reasons but there are very few , if any sectors, which are single sex. How odd therefore does that make stripping?

I suppose there is a physical reason for stripping being a single sex "career" - only women have cunts to flash in men's faces. I can't really get my head round the mindset that thinks well that's fine, that's ok.

These are your opinions shared by some and not by others. You do not have the authority to say what is and isn’t empowering and speak for the masses. Sorry but really you don’t

Jesus. Separate not seperate
FFS

Argh! Separate not separate
The shame

Sounds about right @MsMelanie
Still would love to know what the seperate posts of a random pic, an urgh , and a no was about though.

It’s easy to work out. Those shouting down at everyone, posting random pics, being patronising and abusive and view all men as nothing more than penis are the rad fems.

Anyone who isn’t like the above are people with their own minds that haven’t being indoctrinated.

This is a bit like saying that in 2008 the banking system was rotten to the core but because a few bankers liked doing it that made it all ok then

OK, see your point as they're both industries but it's not really the same scenario - seeing as the banking system is nothing to do with individual people on a a sex (male or female) level.
As both males and females work in banking.
Both men and women don't work in female lap dancing clubs.
One of those two scenarios takes away the choice for people to be able to make their own mind up.
That they need to be saved.