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Please could someone help me articulate an email to Asda regarding these pyjamas?

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Acunningruse · 18/09/2019 12:19

First post here so please be gentle.

I was looking for Christmas pyjamas this morning for DD age 3 and 7yo DS. Ridiculous I know in September but last year I left it too late and everywhere sold out.

I was just about to buy the red pyjamas from Asda below for both of them when I happened to notice the pyjamas were in the boys section. Intrigued, I looked in the girls section and found these pink so-called Christmas pyjamas.

Now I am very sleep deprived due to said 3yo not sleeping ever. So I don't know if my initial horrified reaction is OTT. But just WHY??? Why are there pink ones for girls? The universal colours of Christmas are red and green not insipid pink! Why do there need to be separate girls and boys ones? It just seems so unnecessary but at the same time sending a message as ever seems to be the case that girls and boys should be treated differently. My DD is already one of the strongest fiercest people I know and I don't want that changing any time soon but with stuff like this how can it not??

Excuse tired angry rant, if anyone else thinks I am not BU pls could you help me form a coherent email?
Thanks

Please could someone help me articulate an email to Asda regarding these pyjamas?
Please could someone help me articulate an email to Asda regarding these pyjamas?
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Usernumbers1234 · 18/09/2019 13:30

@bd67th

But that’s the case for all medication. Branded, non branded. Premium charged, it’s not unique to that medication.

Fair point about the shaping though.

bd67th · 18/09/2019 13:28

Fekko It's called the pink tax. Once we hit puberty and need clothes to be in female-specific shapes and shoes to be in narrower widths, we can't avoid paying any more.

There's examples of this everywhere: ever since Feminax had the hyoscine removed, there's no difference between it and generic caffeinated co-codamol tablets, but they charge a premium by marketing it as being for periods.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/09/2019 13:27

Vote with your wallet. But the colours that you choose - or that your children prefer.

Usernumbers1234 · 18/09/2019 13:27

Oh for gods sake invest your energy in something worthwhile.

I agree entirely that we shouldn’t be defaulting to girls in twee pink be kind pyjamas whilst the boys get all the dinosaurs, but the retailer is just trying to find a practical place to stick things on shelves. It’s that or go “non-binary” for all childrenswear and we know that these boards won’t stand for that either.

I’ve got one of each. If my son wants princess sophia pyjamas I know where to find them, if my daughter wants diggers I know where to find them.

It’s you that holds the power here, Asda aren’t part of some great conspiracy to maintain the patriarchy they are just putting stuff on shelves. The alternative is they put the pink and the red in both sections and that’s just not practical from a merchandising perspective.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/09/2019 13:21

I saw a T-shirt on twitter that someone was having a similar problem with - it has a tractor on it with something like ‘when I fly grow up I’m going to drive a tractor’. This was put side by side with a pink girls one that was not brilliant to be honest (ooh I found it).

I really want the tractor one for my sister - who did grow up to drive a tractor. She also has boots class and sass (and lots of horses) but I like the tractor one better.

Please could someone help me articulate an email to Asda regarding these pyjamas?
Chillisauceboss · 18/09/2019 13:18

Whilst this particular example isn't the worst I've seen I did get annoyed this week with my local Asda coats.

Boys coats - waterproof / warm / hooded and weather appropriate

Girls coats - warm only. No waterproof, no weather appropriate hoods.

So whilst I've been irked with design and colour previously I was so annoyed that my daughter couldn't buy a coat to wear on a rainy day but the boys could

SooticaTheWitchesCat · 18/09/2019 13:15

Have you got nothing better to do?
Just buy the red ones.
Too many people worry about whether things are for boys or girls. It doesn't matter.

bd67th · 18/09/2019 13:14

BolloxtoGender The issue is not that pink pajamas exist, but that they are always needlessly designated as for girls.

Let children's clothes be clothes: they don't have substantially-different body shapes until puberty so why not have a "children's clothes" section instead of "girls' clothes" and separately "boys' clothes"?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/09/2019 13:12

I remember ages ago reading a business paper on how companies were producing ‘pink’ items which were sold for more than other coloured ones - it gardening tools, pens, etc. It was just a business decision then.

IceniSky · 18/09/2019 13:12

I complained to Clarkes when the camouflage canvas trainers my daughter wanted were only available in the 'boys' section as a wider width and not normal/ narrow width, which are present in the 'girls' section.

bd67th · 18/09/2019 13:10

I think it’s all a ploy to make people buy more stuff. I.e. people with a sons and daughters feel they can’t hand everything down.

That's exactly what it is. Gender has become a tool of capitalism to coerce us into buying more kid's stuff.

BolloxtoGender · 18/09/2019 13:06

Just buy the red ones.

Why would you want to stop other people from having the option to buy pink ones, if they like them, whether it be for a boy or a girl?

BonnyE · 18/09/2019 13:03

Eye roll. I'd just buy red ones. I generally buy whatever I or DD prefers regardless.
Recently bought some fantastic bear slippers from Mothercare from "boys" section after DD 21 months clearly expressed preference over pink sparkly things in "girls" section. She absolutely loves them. Its hard - i just hope i can help DD feel comfortable choosing whatever she likes as she grows up x

Namelessinseattle · 18/09/2019 13:01

First off I actually really like the pink ones - the colours, i’d prefer Dino’s to speech bubbles though. But I agree just buy the red ones and highlight to Asda that they need to be careful with labeling so as not to lose your custom, you might have missed out on the red completely if you were in store. I bought pink pjs for my son the other day, more colours for everyone I think.

MariusJosipovic · 18/09/2019 13:00

Hmm. I do get irritated by needlessly gendered clothing but I do feel there are much worse offenders out there. I thought it was going to be girls pyjamas that said 'shower princesses with goodnight kisses' or something gross like that

Barbarafromblackpool · 18/09/2019 12:57

'Cosy vibes'

NewNameGuy · 18/09/2019 12:55

OP you're right.

Email and point it out, why not

ArranUpsideDown · 18/09/2019 12:54

I agree that if the fabric/cut is different, then you have a value-based complaint.

SinkGirl · 18/09/2019 12:53

When my twins were babies I bought them knitted Christmas pudding hats (brown with a White top part and holly and berries on the top).

The label said “boys knitted hat”.

Why can’t girls be Christmas puddings? It’s bizarre.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/09/2019 12:52

At least the pink ones don’t have unicorns and rainbows and pithy little quips like ‘princess’ and ‘be kind’.

Christmas is red red red, not pink.

I, like a poster above, roll my eyes at the teensy shorts that was common on the summer for girls (boys got more sensible longer ones) and T-shirt’s with cutesy ‘girl’ stuff and the boys have ‘army guy’ themes.

2BthatUnnoticed · 18/09/2019 12:48

I think it’s all a ploy to make people buy more stuff. I.e. people with a sons and daughters feel they can’t hand everything down.

I disagree with those who think it’s insignificant. Socialisation is the result of thousands of messages sent to girls and boys growing up, and all the “girly pink” stuff is part of that.

“Let clothes be clothes” on a Twitter might be interested OP. And I liked your first post Smile

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 18/09/2019 12:47

I'd bet a tenner that the fabric on the pink pjs is thinner and they are cut smaller and tighter than the red ones

Actually, if the cut is different you have a legitimate complaint.

It's a long time since mine were little children but I'd have given my right arm for clothes cut thinner and tighter back then. They had to wait until they reached adult sizes for clothes that actually fit.

Marylou2 · 18/09/2019 12:45

Life's way too short for this OP.Just buy the PJs you prefer. My Maths and Science obsessed DD who intends to be an engineer would have loved the pink ones when she was small.

NotBeingRobbed · 18/09/2019 12:43

What is Santa saying on the pink ones? It looks like “cost vibes”. No speech bubbles on the red ones.

namechangealerttt · 18/09/2019 12:43

Just buy the red ones. I have 2 boys and would always cross over into the girls section for brighter colours when the brown navy and checked shirts got me down.

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