The main problem I had with Stranger Things S3

...and let's be honest, most women do like a dominant man. 😉

He certainly acted like a spoilt little boy when (SPOILER) Joyce stood him up for a date.

But on the other hand he's probably fairly representative of a lot of 80s men.

its shit tho

i dunno what on earth happened

They decided as the teen characters are ageing, they need Hopper to have the "Over protective dad" / "You can't date my daughter" trope....

So people will then remember things like Uncle Buck and Dr. Houseman from Dirty Dancing and feel nostalgic.

The difference of course is that mike did nothing wrong in the first place.

Like wise we are now in 1985, so The terminator is a thing and Hopper needs to have a lot more shooting scenes.

And of course Red Dawn is thrown in too.

im a new stranger things fan- and im on ep 3 of series 3.

i cant stand this series' hopper - hes become a pastiche/a joke/horrible- he was so brilliant and nuanced before. i dunno what on earth happened?

i thought it was new writers/arseholes.

I get it I just don't agree with it!
I think a lot of his actions can be seen through the lens of his bereavement, if I wanted to analyse it.

It's set in the 80's. I was an 80's teenager - the behaviour of the characters seems pretty much spot on for that period of history.

Are you too young to recall that time op?

he liked a drink but who doesn't now a days

It's set 30 + years ago.

Hopes, couldn't tell you. I would imagine that a successful show like Stranger Things is doing clever things which the tropes it's using, so I'm sure that case can be made. I was responding to Goosefoot dismissing these kind of analyses as 'woke' which I reject, as I think there is definitely a place for not picking apart, but not mindlessly absorbing, either. It's not really a wild thought to suggest that the things we see can have an effect on our own behaviour, however subtly, I wouldn't have said.

He took in Eleven and looked after her like she was one of his own, due to not having kids before

He had a daughter who died

I think Hopper is a legend. He took in Eleven and looked after her like she was one of his own, due to not having kids before he was obviously over protective of her and didn't realise what he was doing.

Yes, he liked a drink but who doesn't now a days?

Is the assumption that we take Hopper's character and actions uncritically ? Because I don't see that at all.

Goosefoot, I've said a number of times that no, I haven't watched the show. I'm responding to why analysis is a useful thing to assess what we accept uncritically. It's not about being prescriptive as to what is put on screen, it's about examining what we take from that. But you go ahead and dismiss thoughtful analysis as woke if you want to. It's always helpful when the opinion of 'duh, it's not real, it's only the movies' is added into the mix.

The writer or director "framing" the story for us in such a way that we are all taught like nice little viewers that we are supposed to be unhappy about some behaviours is absolutely woke. It's the same smug condescending attitude where viewers are somehow assumed to be morons and incapable of coming to their own conclusions.

You watched the show and thought Hopper's behaviour was off. Do you really think that other people are somehow unable to see this, or that they aren't allowed to come to different conclusions than you if they want to. I would be surprised actually if people didn't already see Hopper as a mess, and so do people within the show's world, it's shown in their reactions and his subsequent actions.

There are films and books that are careful to frame the narrative so it is absolutely clear what the writers want us to think about each person or situation. They are unremittingly bad.

Now, if it's a matter of saying, how does this reflect real actions, what would we think if this happened really, sure, we can do that. But there wouldn't be the same connotation of it being problematic, a problem in the writing, if that is what was going on.

It's not about being woke, it's about the framing of certain things as normal behaviour and thus subtly reinforcing their acceptance as fairly shrug worthy, instead of things which we might reasonably say "Hold on a sec, that's a bit off", which then feeds into the dismissing of those red flag behaviours in real life too. I don't doubt from the context of discussions I've seen and read, that Hopper is not meant to be the pure role model hero, and yes, obviously there is always nuance in good story telling. But this kind of analysis is really useful to examine what we often accept unconsciously.

Meh. I am not onboard with the all tv characters that we are meant to like should be woke, at least by the end of the series, or else they are BAD.

If nothing else, it would make for a lot of really shitty tv and films.

I liked Hopper. I liked that he was difficult and a bit of a hot mess. It was on occasion ramped up for comic effect, that's because it's not real life, it's the movies.

Not watched the video

I had a lot of real issues with this season it was such a shame

Can't post much more but
Yes to that whole thing with hopper
Also girls bonding over shopping, boys saying they are difeerent species etc
I didn't like a lot of it and ranted a lot
Spoiled it for me.

ImFine, I think I should say thank you, but I've just watched 17 minutes of my childhood heroes being thoroughly dismantled. I wanted desperately to be Han Solo and Indy when I grew up. It never even occurred to me there was any other than charm in their roguishness and that girls would respond to that kind of stuff. Admittedly, that also added to the crushing of my sexuality for a long time too. Deckard was always a complicated anti-hero as far as I can see, so his behaviour analysis didn't tilt my world so much, but blimey, those first three scenes were textbook 'No doesn't mean no' stuff.

I feel retrospectively violated by it all!!!

Hopper's over protection of Eleven did seem both over the top and out of character from previous seasons.
Previously he was supposed to be a bit of a loser (partly because he lost his daughter which changed him a lot), but no suggestions he was unreasonable I don't think.

I can’t believe he’s dating Lilly Allen

Oh I know, I think we were meant to see that as way ott though, it wasn't a good response and led to lots of grief for them all!
I didn't mean you with the angst comment, but the video maker.
I loved the programme so am probably sensitive about it. I also loved all the male leads in the 80s films in the clips - not sure what this says about me!

Kit19, I got a notification that you had tagged me but you've had the post removed?

Hopes, yeah, I'm not going to disagree that there are umpteen thousand other examples, obviously. Like I say, I'm not a Stranger Things watcher, I just watched most of the video and I thought it raised some interesting questions about that model of entertainment romance relationship which I hadn't really recognized before. I condensed the argument on the video because some were saying they didn't have time to watch it and I had.