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"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"

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Igneococcus · 14/09/2019 20:42

In the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5?shareToken=3bbd28acf03ed3d2916e912216677322

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PrimalLass · 14/09/2019 22:00

And do you really think teachers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a child living as a girl and a boy messing about?

The teachers are not allowed to make that judgement.

Somebodyswatson · 14/09/2019 21:58

*tiredofthisBS not really, I think I just lost some of my faith in humanity, I never thought that this many people could think this is wrong. These girls are being allowed into girl's spaces because they are girls. Do you have any idea how much courage it must take these children to come out as trans? And do you really think teachers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a child living as a girl and a boy messing about?

JazzyBBG · 14/09/2019 21:57

trans people are the most sexually harassed when in toilets (especially when they are in toilets of their birth sex)

Evidence???

I'm sure all the straight men out there are busy sexually harassing the transgender women whilst the straight women harass the trans men cos they are just so irresistible.

PrimalLass · 14/09/2019 21:56

asdetcetc

Fuck off. That's all. No one cares about being called transphobic.

JamesBlonde1 · 14/09/2019 21:56

Can someone help me understand who is pushing these policies and why are they being agreed to?

Why aren't those decision makers just saying bog off we don't agree to do that?

There are surely women within these decision making boards?

I don't get it. It's barking mad and dangerous.

It's not just women who think this is mad, my DH agrees with all the sentiments raised on these issues, a father to a DD.

To the mothers of sons, are you teaching your DS that this is mad? I hope so.

TiredofthisBS · 14/09/2019 21:56

Children have boundaries. Girls have boundaries. These boundaries should be respected not thrown onto a ideological pyre because of blackmail and threats.

One set of rights do not trump another and using false information and trying to guilt trip us won't work. Not anymore.

zebrasdontwearbras · 14/09/2019 21:55

"this whole thread is TRANSPHOBIC!!!"

No it's not. And we're not claiming "free speech" here either - although free speech should always apply.

We are talking about girl's rights. Actual girls, who are born with a female reproductive system, female genitalia and xx chromosomes. You know, those girls who the midwife identifies visually as female at birth, Those humans whose rights are protected by the Equality Act.

So DFO with your accusations of "transphobia" - people born with penises are not girls.

JoyceJeffries · 14/09/2019 21:54

asdfghjk111 - really couldn’t give a toss what you think about my parenting. Try and manipulate someone else. Again tumblr might suit you more.

JazzyBBG · 14/09/2019 21:54

@Somebodyswatson I have girls and this terrifies me. If I had boys it would also terrify me as PP said we are creating a mental health crisis.

@asdfghjk111 I think you'll find women are the most marginalised group.

Wurzelsnewhead · 14/09/2019 21:54

There will be girls who spend their home life covering up, head down , anything to not get noticed; to be safe from groping hands, lewd comments, constant intrusions . They’ll go to school and be told to accept sharing spaces with males or be ostracised by being given a separate room. All to a girl who keeps her head down, back of the class as she’s so fucking traumatised she can just about cope. These girls have no voice, they need affirmation that the boundaries they are trying desperately to retain are true, not to be told they need to set them aside to appease someone else’s needs.
Bullshit, complete and utter bullshit is what this draft is, whoever approved this has no understanding whatsoever of the effects of abuse. Their selfish need to be progressive has emptied their brains of any empathy or common sense. Wankers.

PhonicTheHedgehog · 14/09/2019 21:52

Does David Issac have other roles?

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2019 21:51

the life expectancy of a trans woman of colour is 35

Not true in this country or any other.

FWRLurker · 14/09/2019 21:50

Somebodies,

I would like to know what you think about a fully in tact boy whose been through no treatment whatsoever showing up one day ala pips Bunche saying he is a girl today.

Should this boy be allowed into the private spaces of girls and see them naked? What of their right to privacy? The genders could be reversed. What if an adolescent boy - like most boys would be - is embarrassed to be naked in front of the girl he has a massive crush on who has decided yesterday she is actually a boy inside?

Privacy is important. Especially children’s privacy.

asdfghjk111 · 14/09/2019 21:50

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TiredofthisBS · 14/09/2019 21:48

Either asd is taking the piss or I'm calling TRA bingo!

JoyceJeffries · 14/09/2019 21:48

The word transphobia has lost all meaning. Take your emotional black mail somewhere else. Tumblr might fall for the shite you are peddling.

TiredofthisBS · 14/09/2019 21:47

@Somebodyswatson are you okay hun?

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2019 21:47

Transgender girls should be able to use girl's facilities and transgender boys should be able to use boy's facilities.

"Transgender girls" is Orwellian nonsense. They are male. Girls have rights too.

HeadintheiClouds · 14/09/2019 21:45

Transphobic... 🤐

HeadintheiClouds · 14/09/2019 21:44

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TiredofthisBS · 14/09/2019 21:44

It's not supporting all children though is it? It's not supporting girls. Girls who are uncomfortable with this have to be removed to a separate changing area like a pariah because woe betide females actually feelings and want to impose boundaries.

"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"
Iamanaubergine · 14/09/2019 21:44

But trans girls are boys with penises and trans boys are girls with vaginas. We’re facilitating a mental health crisis in our children.

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Ereshkigal · 14/09/2019 21:43

Exactly. Being excluded from female single sex spaces is not "discrimination" on the grounds of gender reassignment as a male without the protected characteristic of gender reassignment would be treated exactly the same way.

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