"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"

im not at a loss for evidence

You are based on what you posted. That article recounts the negative experiences of one individual, a convicted, violent felon at that who furthermore worked in prostituition, a profession which brings with it much higher risks of violence.

The writer links to a survey of self-reported incidents detailing discrimination and harassment but very little actual data on violence (which to be fair was not the purpose of the survey).

The writer further links to an unsubstantiated claim regarding the average life expectancy of males who identify as trans living in the US. That is based on such terrible maths and illogical thinking that it ought to be ignored, but as you seem quite distressed by it, I will endeavour to reassure you.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights simply states in its report that it has received information that the average life expectancy of males who identify as trans in the Americas lies between 30 and 35.

This seems to be solely based on the IACHR drawing an erroneous conclusion from the fact that a reported 80% of trans persons killed is aged 35 and under.

The vast majority of murder victims in the group of males who identify as trans in the Americas are those working in prostitution in Brazil and Argentina. (Incidentally, even in Brazil a male trans persons risk of being murdered is lower than that of all other males, lower than that of the general population and on a par with the risk of female Brazilians.)

Now back to the life expectancy claim. I will refer you to what I posted the last time this came up:

This claim is based on bad maths. Or bad faith. Or both.

That the average age of a murder victim belonging to a particular group is 35, does not mean that the average life expectancy of that group is then lowered to 35.

You can tell from all these articles that this is what they've done, because every single one using that stat then refers to the average age of a murder victim (if they explain it at all).

And all you need to suggest just how wrong this stat is, is knowledge about onset. While homosexual transsexuals transition early, on average in their early to mid twenties, non-homosexual transsexuals (aka late-onset aka AGP) transition in their mid forties to mid fifties. There are many, many more late-onset TS than early-onset ones. It is statistically therefore almost impossible for the life expectancy of the entire group of males identifying as trans to be 35.

Late-onset transsexuals are unlikely to be in prostitution, which is of course dangerous whether you're male or female.

And we should stop pretending and telling kids that they can change sex

It’s th3 truth they can’t. Enough with the lies

'White feminism'

Yawn.

They're virtually all white the AWAs. Rich white men.

FOTTOSOF with that shit.

I do think if mothers withdrew their free labour from schools it would have a serious impact.

And deny the truth of what they can see

And we shouldn’t be teaching kids to lie

At school

Should we supply a separate toilet for people who don’t fit into a stereotype box?

Gender isn’t sex, and that is the basis we segregate on. Not feelings or hunches. Biology. Something tangible not ideas in the head.

I think pronoun/name changes should be respected as long as there's been a proper consultation with the child, parents and a medical professional. It doesn't impact on anyone else, other than that one child, but the school needs to explore whether the child is serious about transitioning and it isn't just an attention-seeking phase.

A unisex toilet needs to be made available for those who do not conform to the stereotypical norm. If those with disabilities can use a disabled toilet without complaining that they feel 'left out', and accept, it's a facility that has been set up so they feel more comfortable when changing/using the toilet, so should those who are transitioning. It's the only way in which girls can feel comfortable, and that child who is exploring another gender, can change in relative privacy while doing so. Nobody needs to be looking at the other gender's body parts while in school. It's, at the least uncomfortable, and at the worst, dangerous.

We need to have a philosophy in education where everyone is free to explore who they are, and carry out the necessary measures to do so. But no one else is to feel uncomfortable or at risk due to these explorations. So children who believe that they are the wrong gender can change their names, wear another uniform and such, but cannot do things which make other students feel uncomfortable, like having shared changing spaces.

No one should have to bow down to someone else.

So, somebody asked what can we do?

As someone who has spent years pumping money into my kids' school and giving them a full time job's worth of unpaid labour, withdrawing my support for a start. Sorry, but if my head won't stand up for my children, I won't stand up for them. If every woman who props up schools did the same, the system would collapse.

I will not allow my children to play for school teams if the school will not
protect my children. Inter school sporting tournaments can be prestigious for schools.

Civil disobedience. I just refuse to cooperate.

And do you really think teachers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a child living as a girl and a boy messing about?

They already can't and don't until a boy/transgirl commits a sexual offence: mobile.twitter.com/TracyXXs/status/975379101761486848?p=v

I’d happily change in the same room. There isn’t enough eyeball bleach to cleanse their pool male eyes from that sight.

These are predatory values, not inclusive values.
Once it is enshrined in "law" that girls MUST undress in front of boys self identifying as girls (or be excluded) then these girls will believe that they have no right to consent (as will boys also wanting same sex spaces).
And then we will have a generation of children believing that the demands of strangers and members of the opposite sex to watch them undress, share their toilets and breach their personal boundaries matters more than their right to say no. And that will never be acceptable.

Saturday night is transperbole night.

Anyway, here's some Magdalen...

I cannot believe anyone could claim this to be in line with ensuring all rights of children are met under the Equality Act. This is the complete opposite.

That Guardian article refers to actual transphobia. Almost exclusively violence and harassment perpetrated by other males.

But why should this threat of male violence buy you a free ticket into women's spaces? We are not a "male violence at risk group" - otherwise many other males would also be allowed to use women's toilets -young men, frail men, gay men, disabled men. All of these are at risk of male violence, but they're not allowed to use women's toilets- because women's privacy is for women only.

Plus women now know all too well that this will be abused by men wanting to assault and perve on us - sorry - too many Karen White cases now to deny this.

Feminists here uphold trans people's right to live as they like, free from harassment., but also uphold women's right to single sex spaces.

Sort out male violence - women have been trying to do this for centuries - perhaps as fellow males you'll have more success.

I didn't realise this was generally accepted opinion amongst the people I was talking to

If you think most people think males can be women/girls you're in for a shock. I suggest you step into the real world.

You're not going to guilt trip anyone here, Somebody. As someone said that ship has long sailed. If you cannot see the damage this ill thought out and sexist draft will do to children then that's on you.

We care. We care about ALL children. If we didn't we wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to protect them from being harmed. It's a shame you can't or won't see that.

Nice to see TRAs are still peddling their bullshit statistics. Conflating the life expectancy of trans prostitutes in favelas with non sex working transwomen in the UK. You do know that transwomen in the UK are slightly less likely to be assaulted than other groups. So actually one of the safest demographics. And we knew your concerted campaign to report everything as a hate incident was so you could spout more lies about being the most marginalised group in history. Personally I'm happy for gender questioning individuals to play 'girls' sports but they can use a 3rd space to change and go to the toilet. Why isn't that satisfactory?

Amazing that it's got to this point. Do they realize how many hormonal teenage boys will quite happily state they want to "explore their gender identity" if it gets them into the girls changing rooms for an ogle?

I'm not white love, don't try playing identity politics with me. People of colour are sick of your cultural appropriation of our struggles.

Nor am I transphobic. I'm not scared of trans women because they are trans. I am scared of them because they are men with, by and large, intact and functioning penises.

Yes, gender dysphoria is a condition. It's a mental health issue that should not be encouraged by affirming self destructive tendencies. Just like the weight dysphoric anorexic should not be encouraged to believe they are fat and need to eat less. You do realise that, under self ID, no diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required.

" do you really think teachers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a child living as a girl and a boy messing about?"
Of course they'll be able to tell the difference. In the same way we can see that Jessica yaniv is very different from the (presumably) thousands of 'normal' trans women who are just living their lives and don't make notoriety.
But it won't matter. Teachers won't be able to do anything with the knowledge they'll have. Just send the girls off like lambs to the slaughter.

Why aren't those decision makers just saying bog off we don't agree to do that?

A combination of being too lazy to think independently and a craven fear of being accused of transphobia.