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"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"

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Igneococcus · 14/09/2019 20:42

In the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5?shareToken=3bbd28acf03ed3d2916e912216677322

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Iamanaubergine · 14/09/2019 21:42

I am so cross about this nonsense! Why do the rights of a trans girl trump the right of girls? Why does the girl who feels uncomfortable with this have to change elsewhere & not the trans girl??
I am so sick of this bs - what can we do?

Somebodyswatson · 14/09/2019 21:42

Well I hope for your children's sake that none of you have transgender children with attitudes like that. Transgender girls should be able to use girl's facilities and transgender boys should be able to use boy's facilities.

Inebriati · 14/09/2019 21:40

Many of the suggestions contravene rights for girls laid out in the Equality Act; for example sports are a sexed activity, not a gendered activity. This is because it conflates sex and gender reassignment, which are two separate characteristics.

TiredofthisBS · 14/09/2019 21:37

Surely with that document the ECHR are breaking the Equality Act?

I hope the Times keep on this.

twelvecolourfulbirds · 14/09/2019 21:36

Rich, white, privately educated, Oxford educated, senior partner in a massive law firm, ex Stonewall Chair, ex Big Lottery Trustee, lawyer for the government.

Yes he really knows human rights abuses and inequality - not. God forbid the job might have gone to a woman for a change, or - shock, horror - a woman of colour, a gay woman, a disabled woman, a woman with working class roots, or any of the other classes of women who habitually find themselves at the bottom of the pile.

JazzyBBG · 14/09/2019 21:33

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Seriously.

Are they trying to push this through under the radar whilst there's a shitstorm re Brexit???

I can imagine half the boys at my school would have self ID'd as boys if it meant getting in the girls changing room.

Ludicrous.

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 14/09/2019 21:33

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JoyceJeffries · 14/09/2019 21:32

We have a national crisis in recruiting teachers - this is going to put even more people of from applying. 🤦‍♀️

twelvecolourfulbirds · 14/09/2019 21:31

Isn’t it amazing the sway you can have as a group of rich, white men

Not hard when a rich, white man is made Chair of the EHRC.

Interesting timing re the proposed release of this paper - when everyone will be freaking out about Brexit and looking the other way.

zebrasdontwearbras · 14/09/2019 21:29

“teachers are warned they would break the law if they failed to call transgender pupils by their new names and pronouns”
That can’t be true, surely to Christ??

It's not. The TRAs want us to believe that it is law, and to make it law.

They're desperately trying to twist current discrimination laws and the Equality Act to make it sound like it is law - but it isn't.

YobaOljazUwaque · 14/09/2019 21:29

I'll never forget the time a male friend, when we were both in our early 20s, said that the reason he and his friends didn't do as well as they might have in GCSEs was that they spent pretty much every waking moment of their mid teens trying to figure out schemes to get into the girls changing rooms.

What a good idea to enshrine in law to make it easy peasy to do. No need to transition, just describe yourself as gender fluid and you can be one of the lads 90% of the time except on Wednesday afternoons for sports lessons.

This really isn't about the tiny number of pupils with gender dysphoria. There are far far more straight "cis" males who will take advantage of these guidelines than there are dysphoric kids who might benefit from them.

zebrasdontwearbras · 14/09/2019 21:26

Girls who are uncomfortable with the presence of a transgender girl are advised to use a private changing room

So bloody impractical and ridiculous. I remember a story of a US school with this policy where one girl protested, and so got her private changing room (the janitors cupboard or similar Hmm ) and within a week or so, one by one, all the girls made the same request, until practicality dictated that the girls and transgirl "swapped" changing rooms. WHic of course is what should have happened in the first place. Why do trans rights trump girls' right to privacy?

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 14/09/2019 21:25

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HeadintheiClouds · 14/09/2019 21:21

Also; “teachers are warned they would break the law if they failed to call transgender pupils by their new names and pronouns”
That can’t be true, surely to Christ??

JoyceJeffries · 14/09/2019 21:21

It’s important that girls learn from the earliest age that penis owners are more important. And we can thank our whole political class (every single fucking political party) for foisting this horse shit on us. This is a top down policy that is unbelievably unpopular.

HumberElla · 14/09/2019 21:21

Sexual assaults against girls in schools, colleges and in HE are increasing. This is known and widely acknowledged with reported assaults only the tip of the iceberg.
I can’t believe this is seen as even remotely acceptable.

zanahoria · 14/09/2019 21:21

" Girls who are uncomfortable with the presence of a transgender girl are advised to use a private changing room"

can all the girls go in there?

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 14/09/2019 21:19

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Wurzelsnewhead · 14/09/2019 21:16

What about the girls who are being molested at home, who thinks of their psychological health when they go to school and are told any male can identify as female and share all spaces with them? This absolute disregard for girls shows the patriarchy at its worst and the gains made by feminism to be meaningless.
If allowed to go ahead this policy will lead to in increase in girls self excluding from schools at best or an increase in suicides. It seems no one gives a shiny shit about traumatised girls and their need for spaces away from the male gaze. Schools should be asked to provide safe unisex changing rooms for transgender kids of both sexes, not demand girls acquiesce to what maybe passing phases for other children.

HeadintheiClouds · 14/09/2019 21:16

It includes those who are “simply exploring their gender identity” Shock. So the boys can descend en masse on the girls loos / changing rooms and simply smirk “We were just curious, Miss. Thought we might try on being a girl today”.
That fucker should be behind bars for everyone’s safety Angry

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 14/09/2019 21:15

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/09/2019 21:15

I'm not sure what we can do to challenge it. The DfE, the civil service and evidently the government have been policy captured by the men determined to remove the rights of women to have private sex segregated spaces - children are merely the next target for this predatory behaviour.

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2019 21:06

Appalling. What can we do to challenge this?

Toastedstrudel · 14/09/2019 21:06

What about females who identify as male? It’s always about women and girls accepting men and boys into their spaces.
The comments on the article are encouraging, I hope more people are getting the message.

Wurzelsnewhead · 14/09/2019 21:03

Ridiculous. I’ll be offering my support and time to the Safe Schools Alliance, not prepared to see this get any further than the draft stage.