First Trans Pride in London this weekend

Repressed or denied content - in this case being male/masculine - tends always to present itself in extreme ways when it breaks through. The irony of presenting as a woman and yet engaging in the most negative, violent masculine aggression possible.

*their own

They should have their on trans pride instead of hijacking LGB Pride.

Already all the Pride celebrations and Pride month was taken over by trans rights. We have anything about women i.e. International Women's Day taken over by trans rights. Now a Trans Pride? They really are the most marginalised in society.

I really don't buy into the whole 'I'm an outsider at Pride' argument.

It’s not that they expect violence it’s a symbol to show their intent to beat the crap out of anyone who disagrees them.
Rather like football hooligans spoiling for a fight, maybe that’s considered passé now - this is the equivalent for those who consider themselves above all that.

It's all "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!" then "people look at me and I don't like it".

Grow up and stop dressing like a clown and you'll bend in just like the rest of the world. Or dress like a clown if you want (also absolutely fine) but people will look.

Enjoy your march.

I'm really confused as to why they expect violence?

Can you imagine the outrage, hue and cry, if lesbians appropriated Pride for themselves, and had an purely Lesbian Pride, which it would seem perfectly reasonable to do now

It would be absolutely reasonable. The problem is it would be attended by trans 'lesbians with penises'.

So Trans'women' get:
Pride (LGBT)
Trans Pride
Lesbian Pride
... any others that they feel like appropriating.

Can you imagine the outrage, hue and cry, if lesbians appropriated Pride for themselves, and had an purely Lesbian Pride, which it would seem perfectly reasonable to do now.

The precedent it set , and the divide and conquer fall is starting.

The breakaway factions from Pride and LGBTQ+, and all the good it once stood for.

And while lesbians and women doing anything like holding a march about their particular needs and social causes get stomped all over and disrupted by trans lobbyists for not centering them and their interests and shutting up about anything the trans lobbyists don't like, it's apparently fine for trans groups to have things all to themselves.

This. Why can't people see the hypocrisy and entitlement?

Whatever. Crack on. Good luck.

Just a shame that all other Prides are now effectively trans pride instead of gay pride, and the trans influence has wiped out lesbian groups and representation and women's groups and representation.

And while lesbians and women doing anything like holding a march about their particular needs and social causes get stomped all over and disrupted by trans lobbyists for not centering them and their interests and shutting up about anything the trans lobbyists don't like, it's apparently fine for trans groups to have things all to themselves.

Again, whatever. No time or interest to spare on the double standards.

I absolutely understand and agree that in the context of trans privilege activism it will be read as a violent threat by many, and quite reasonably so.

I was just wondering if others saw the appropriation or if younger posters were unfamiliar with that context.

Was it stalin/lenin, with the fist always?

I am pleased they do their own thing, the trouble is, I don't agree, in terms of the trans don't go to pride! Not atall.

A third of transgender people report being discriminated against in public in the last year because of their identity, according to a survey by LGBT charity Stonewall of 871

So, a third of 871. A bit farcical for Stonewall to be quoting these figures when they actively encourage discrimination against women! To the extent it affects the whole female population, which is a bit more than the 290 that are feeling discriminated against.

They are pushing policies that affect half the population, already at considerable risk (death for gender based vawg), into greater risk for the 290 ish who feel discriminated against. They try to justify actively increasing the mortality rates of women and children, by removing safeguards.

They talk about the violence or aggression they anticipate. I have no violence or aggression to be taking to their secret march thats all over the national press with very strong looking male fist in defiance.

No part of that thank you.

Interesting that this event is considered too toxic even for Mermaids to touch (so rumour has it).

I agree, the raised fist is appropriation of the Black Power symbol but for me that context was about inner strength not violence. In the context of the trans movement I see it as a warning sign of their intent to violently take what they think is theirs, a statement of their goal to achieve their agenda by whatever means. It is a clear indicator of the masculinity behind a movement that’s answers resistance with violence.

Well the punch a TERF fist was very reminiscent of Nazi propaganda posters.

With the raised fist, isbit a sign of support though? Or are Pride and Trans Pride organisers going to go into battle for the 'best Pride ever!'

Much like the libfem vs radfem division, if indeed it is one, it could be interesting to see how they handle this.

On the raised fist thing, I don't know what your thoughts are OP, but have seen others suggest it is a threatening gesture.

I'm not sure how it is intended but I read it as another racist appropriation of the language (body language in this case) of the civil rights movement. I see a raised fist and immediately think Black Power salute and the powerful image of the '68 Olympics 200m podium.