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First Trans Pride in London this weekend

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FeminismandWomensFights · 13/09/2019 10:07

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49447918

Quoting Get the L Out Flowers
But the actual issues that mean there are a serious clash of rights is not being represented clearly or fairly by the Beeb.
It’s not about feminists just being meanies FFS.
Also the organisers of this Pride/protest have a raised fist on their promo for their event Hmm.

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TheClitterati · 14/09/2019 08:21

The fist symbol is just another thing they have stolen/appropriated from feminist and civil rights movements. I don't think the gay rights movement used it / but I could be wrong?

First Trans Pride in London this weekend
CumannNamBan · 14/09/2019 04:12

The raised fist symbol is an old symbol, normally meaning strength and solidarity in struggle, or similar. I've just googled and it may have originated during the Spanish civil war.

I don't see them using it as big deal, not relative to the other stuff they do.

BickerinBrattle · 14/09/2019 03:26

When is any journalist going to investigate these claims of violence and threat?

These reports of violence and threats are the trans version of Iraq WMD’s.

It’s blatant manipulation, covered by the thinnest of veils, easily pulled aside by any journalist who would do some digging and some statistical analysis.

TheClitterati · 14/09/2019 02:54

Adds "angry violent TERF protesters" to the list of stuff that never happens.

Nice to see TRAS get a protest march, after complaining so much about lesbians protesting at pride.

TRAs really hate women don't they?

Backintheclosit123 · 14/09/2019 01:40

I can't see it looking any different from a general Pride parade tbh. Saturation point is close if not already reached.
So sick of glitter, pink and blue, leather, rainbows and all the other tosh.

Although there will be more speeches on suicide I'm guessing.

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2019 01:27

How many over the age of 25 at least rubidium.

I'm wondering if they'll all be masked or if that's just for when they're harassing women.

Rubidium · 13/09/2019 20:39

I wonder how many transmen will be on the march.

slipperywhensparticus · 13/09/2019 19:02

I think we should ignore the lot of them in fact have meetings at the opposite end of the country have your March in London I'm having gin in Glasgow

RiotAndAlarum · 13/09/2019 18:59

A fist can also be used for wanking... though not by women...

Michelleoftheresistance · 13/09/2019 18:55

Actually it's very very easy to manage the T bunch of harridans. Just respect women and girls' rights and they'll fuck right off.

Tyrotoxicity · 13/09/2019 18:08

Organisations attending all Pride events this year have all written extensive risk assessments for "what to do if TERFs come". One city (not London) pride event, a fairly small one, had 30 pages of risk assessment just for TERFs.

There's a petty little part of me that thinks we should turn up en masse with badges and hi-vis vests declaring us to be "TERF observers". And then just... observe. Peacefully. At a slight distance, watching. Totally grey-rocking any attempts at antagonism.

It would fuck 'em right off.

Like I said, it's a petty part of me. I'm not saying anyone should actually do this. But the visual does amuse me.

2Rebecca · 13/09/2019 17:18

I hope everyone just ignores them. I don't mind them marching, I just mind when they want to stop me marching, or meeting with other women, or try destroying single sex services, and try changing the meaning of words and making everyone play a giant game of "let's pretend" so they can do their extended cosplay.
Marching up and down the square is fine, the exercise will do them good.

CaptainKirksSpookyGhost · 13/09/2019 17:02

Yes, and worst of all is it works.

TalkingAboutPride · 13/09/2019 17:00

I'm really confused as to why they expect violence?

I'm not.

Organisations attending all Pride events this year have all written extensive risk assessments for "what to do if TERFs come". One city (not London) pride event, a fairly small one, had 30 pages of risk assessment just for TERFs.

Everybody is being whipped up to expect angry violent TERFs despite a complete lack of evidence. This of course is a handy strategy to direct attention away from and excuse the actual threats and violent acts of TRAs.

It's a chilling, effective and very deliberate strategy imo.

GCAcademic · 13/09/2019 16:53

Already all the Pride celebrations and Pride month was taken over by trans rights

Oh, come on, that's a little unfair. The pups were also there.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 13/09/2019 16:52

The Trans Overlords
I like that.
It is perfectly apt.

LangCleg · 13/09/2019 16:41

I'm assuming that acceptance without exception means that we #genderfree will be occupying a prime place in this wondrous march of the overlords underdogs?

thirdfiddle · 13/09/2019 16:40

I hope they have a good peaceful march.

RedHoodGirl · 13/09/2019 15:57

My first thought when I saw the Trans Pride London image was that it resembled the feminist raised fist symbol?

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Tyrotoxicity · 13/09/2019 13:37

Oh excellent, discussion of the whole "appropriating the black power symbol" thing - I've been fretting over that.

Raised fist for black power purposes = a symbol used by the oppressed class to demonstrate collective resistance.
Raised fist for actual feminist power purposes = a symbol used by the oppressed class to demonstrate collective resistance.
Raised fist for trans power purposes = a symbol used by the oppressor class to demonstrate collective dominance.

One of these things is not like the others...

Doyoumind · 13/09/2019 13:33

It was a Newsbeat story so it was always going to be broadcast.

I would have thought anyone trans would be far safer at standard Prides than a trans one where they are the sole targets. Unless they are only worried about the 'literal' violence of words.

insertamusingIDhere · 13/09/2019 13:28

Radio 1 lunchtime news covered it unsurprisingly. The person they interviewed wants to go but there's so much violence aimed at trans that they are unsure whether to go. All very brave and stunning of course.

Thingybob · 13/09/2019 13:09

Already all the Pride celebrations and Pride month was taken over by trans rights

Which actually goes on for three months rather than one.

We have anything about women i.e. International Women's Day taken over by trans rights. Now a Trans Pride?

Brighton has already had their Trans Pride this year and don't forget they also have LGBT History Month, Trans Day of Visibility and Trans Day of Remembrance.

And it's not just women's events that are taken over by Trans people. Last week it was World Suicide Prevention Day and I saw several Twitter feeds that expressed no empathy for victims and families as a whole but made it all about Trans people.

I would imagine the public and even their most dedicated supporters must be tiring from this constant demand to always centre trans people

Ereshkigal · 13/09/2019 12:15

I really don't buy into the whole 'I'm an outsider at Pride' argument.

Probably because it's utter DARVO bullshit.

FeminismandWomensFights · 13/09/2019 12:14

I am very uncomfortable with violent imagery on political event/demo promo material because deliberately it sets the tone of forcing through the event aims, on threat of violence and encourages violent knobheads to show up and see how far they can push it.

But especially in this particular context where there is a climate already of women being intimidated by men and women have actually been punched for disagreeing with them on this particular brand of politics.

Maria McLaughlin was punched to the ground at Speakers’ corner by transwoman Tara Wolf and although Tara was found guilty of this attack, in court Maria was forced to use female pronouns for her attacker by the judge Hmm

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3223856-Court-and-enforced-use-of-preferred-pronouns

So punchy fists imagery is particularly shit in this context.

Nobody should face threats or violence for being who they are or wearing what they want but that goes exactly the same for trans people and for women and anyone else.

Some threads if anyone wants to read up on intimidation of women by TRAs, just to name a couple:

Bristol Jam jar event in 2018 where women were physically trapped on a staircase by masked TRAs and verbally abused (police did nothing to get them to stop it)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3228462-To-be-shocked-that-this-is-happening-in-Britain-in-2018

Lesbians kicked out of public events by police just for being there as a peaceful ticket holder:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers

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