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James Kirkup on Ruth Hunt's peerage

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TimeLady · 12/09/2019 13:31

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/can-you-imagine-a-lobbyist-against-womens-rights-being-made-a-peer/

And as ever, my criticism is for politicians (and others) who have failed to subject Stonewall’s advocacy to the same scrutiny and critical analysis that all lobbying should face, and which is too often absent from the trans debate.
That failure means that Ruth Hunt, who ran a long and dedicated campaign to lessen women’s rights under the law, will take up a permanent seat in Parliament with barely a whisper of comment on her record. That is not how politics should work and it is not how politics works in other areas of policy.

As always, thank you, James.

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ChattyLion · 18/09/2019 19:24

That’s an interesting theory about the promise of a peerage. Seemed rather odd to leave a very high profile job with apparently nothing to go to, without the promise of something very enticing in the offing.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 18/09/2019 12:31

Jesus...i absolutely loathe her.

How the fuck does she sleep at night?

ArranUpsideDown · 18/09/2019 11:16

Supposedly to solve things that citizens are concerned about. Their focus is on health, poverty, immigration, environment, trade, terrorism, jobs, housing, crime, education.

As Lumene said: Ruth Hunt is/was a trustee of Shelter .

It is remarkable how very diverse the opinions can be about the level of people's achievements and the benefit:harm ratio of them.

Appointments like this are not adding to the pool of people with decent critical thinking skills in the HoL.

Needmoresleep · 18/09/2019 10:07

I assume that she had her supporters within Stonewall. Pressure on her might have caused some, including some of the Ts, to have become concerned that policy focus might shift away from trans to, well, something more lesbian friendly. Causing tensions within the organisation to erupt.

Instead pluck her out with the promise of ermine. Get rid of a couple of the awkward squad who might have damaged the organisations policy-advice giving credentials (maybe one of the Trustees discovered Kiwifarms!), and start afresh.

But what next?

And just speculation. Perhaps Hunt was deemed not trans-friendly enough! Perhaps her fatal flaw is that she is a woman without a penis.

My bet would be that Stonewall is now such a corporate entity, with lots of jobs and reputations tied up in the rainbow ribbon, that the focus will shift from lobbying of any kind, whether gender or sex, towards the lucrative equalities industry of training and advice. The T remains, but ditch Challenor and perhaps Mermaids. Water down suggestions of the medicalisation of children and stuff that might frighten the corporate sponsors. But remain supportive of 'gender' and dont apply critical thought to real issues such as the impact of the loss on single sex on vulnerable women and girls. I wonder what odds Ladbrokes would give me.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/09/2019 09:49

If she was hard to dislodge from Stonewall then, well, she's quite young, she'll have decades to fuck things up in the HOL.

Needmoresleep · 18/09/2019 09:45

Thinking about it. Was the promise of a peerage a bribe for getting her out of Stonewall quietly? Using a high-level fixer to make the recommendation to May.

As in people within Stonewall are starting to recognise the pushback and accept Hunt's #nodebate was going badly wrong. So get her out quietly.

But what next.

Lumene · 18/09/2019 09:16

Ruth Hunt is/was a trustee of Shelter god help them.

Trevor Philips used to run the EHRC and I wish he still does. He has written some very sensible pieces for The Times referencing the mess all this stuff has created for some minority groups at the expense of others.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/09/2019 23:53

Maybe she has some experience on concealing or handwaving away crime if the group paying her bills is responsible for it? What did she have to say about Karen White?

Popchyk · 17/09/2019 23:51

Speaking of which...

Ruth Hunt also recently appointed as a director to a new organisation called Engage Britain. With people like John Birt and Trevor Phillips. Hasn't got up and running yet.

Supposedly to solve things that citizens are concerned about. Their focus is on health, poverty, immigration, environment, trade, terrorism, jobs, housing, crime, education.

Question is. What experience does Ruth Hunt have in even just one of those areas?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/09/2019 23:48

It's all so incestuous and backpatting in the charity sector that you more you look the more sordid and nepotistic it all seems. Just a bunch of people who've taken over something that's meant to exist for the public good who're now squatting there like a bunch of increasingly wealthy toads, totally ignoring the groups they're meant to be helping.

Weezol · 17/09/2019 23:37

Thank you - I took an internet break around then and missed all that!

Popchyk · 17/09/2019 22:11

They both say that they've left Stonewall on Linkedin.

Stinson in April. Stonewall were recruiting a new Head of Trans Inclusion in June. twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1138459125367660547 No news on any appointment as far as I am aware.

Challenor left in July.

Neither of them would have left voluntarily. Stinson still doesn't have a job, unless having a YouTube channel with 15 subscribers counts as a job these days.

Weezol · 17/09/2019 21:50

But Bex Stinson and Aimee Challenor have been quietly moved out recently, so maybe there is hope that the Trustees are taking action

I may have missed this news, if so, aplogies, but heir names not being on the Stonewall website doesn't necessarily mean they've left does it?

ChattyLion · 17/09/2019 19:18

Honestly I think the House of Lords will be who sorts this mess out, given MPs will be campaigned against unless they toe the TRA line on this and will be in fear for their seats, so i think we still need them

I am not buying Ruth Hunt as a duped useful idiot in all this though. I think she saw a massive new income stream for Stonewall (which seems like a business- what do they actually do for the community for free except lobby powerful people? Their activity seems to be a lot of paid for services like ‘training’ and ‘advice’ and certification of whoever as a pioneer or whatever shiny ‘ally’ badge they give..)

Anyway the genderist agenda gave Hunt and Stonewall’s trustees a great new opportunity to pose as fearless fighters for an oppressed class. While ignoring and actively undermining the class of women and anyone who is same-sex attracted.
They knew perfectly well what people thought of this, so it was an active choice to press on while saying #nodebate

Wurzelsnewhead · 17/09/2019 18:16

Nope not buying the she was duped scenario. I put her alongside Stephen Whittle, both are self serving with a complete disregard for their biological class. Have no time for either of them and I’d happily sign up for abolishing the House of Lords now Ruth is getting ready for another round of shitting all over women’s rights.

JoyceJeffries · 17/09/2019 17:53

She’s a traitor with a very healthy bank balance.

LangCleg · 17/09/2019 16:17

She's a self-righteous careerist who doesn't give a flying fuck about who gets crushed in her pursuit of personal gain.

This would be my assessment.

Popchyk · 17/09/2019 16:09

Stonewall has been taking one hell of a long time to appoint a new chief executive, no?

Stonewall announced that Hunt was leaving in February.

And here we are in September with no new CEO appointed.

The improbably named Paul Twocock is still Interim Chief Executive.

I can imagine that Stonewall is struggling to get decent people to take on the job though. Everyone knows that the new chief exec will have to face down the trans wing at some point; a group which has been mightily emboldened by Hunt's ineffective 'no debate' stewardship.

But Bex Stinson and Aimee Challenor have been quietly moved out recently, so maybe there is hope that the Trustees are taking action.

Lumene · 17/09/2019 15:24

Thanks @RoyalCorgi

It would all be quite amusing if only it was a futuristic novel and not actually real.

Weezol · 17/09/2019 11:20

She knew what she was doing.
Even as a lesbian herself, she has some serious internalised misogyny going on. She was basically told over and over by lesbians what was going on with the TRA/AWA and chose to ignore us.
She made her choice out of self interest.

She's a self-righteous careerist who doesn't give a flying fuck about who gets crushed in her pursuit of personal gain.

Needmoresleep · 17/09/2019 11:17

Hee hee. I wonder what their version of equality advice will be. Presumably, TW are more special than ordinary women so should be allowed into single sex spaces without ordinary women being consulted. There is a living to be hade so why bite the hand that feeds you...so well.

Popchyk · 17/09/2019 09:43

Ruth Hunt's new gig.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1171391195299418112

"I’m also beyond excited to be joining @ellis_cari as a co-director of Deeds and Words. We will be working together to support organisations to achieve sustainable, positive change and build inclusive cultures".

Caroline Ellis is Hunt's partner.

Sounds like they are setting up to try to undercut Stonewall.

RoyalCorgi · 17/09/2019 08:49

That's as fine a summary from Lumene as I've ever seen on the state of the parties as regards self-ID. One to print out and keep.

Fink · 17/09/2019 06:03

Thanks @Lumene, that'll be useful if there's people out canvassing soon.

Lumene · 16/09/2019 22:35

@Fink

Tories - proposed self-ID, realisedit was a hand grenade of horror waiting to explode and are ‘making an announcement very soon’ - ie when hell freezes over

Lib Dem - totally la la land men are women if they say they are and you are a bigot who should be censored and thrown out of the party if you don’t 100% (state you) believe this

Greens - as for Lib Dems but with added major safeguarding blindspots

Labour - current Corbyn line and policies basically TWAW. Massive rift between feminists and right on momentum types about the whole thing. All gone a bit Life of Brian.

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