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Another convicted criminal identies as female

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HMArsey · 11/09/2019 15:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49661915

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hoodathunkit · 13/09/2019 11:37

Why oh why do these criminals simply claim multiple personaity disorder / dissociative identity disorder?

Raped a woman?

No problem, it wasn't really you it was a 19 year old lesbian "alter" who just wanted to be close to other women

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190703225554/www.dispatch.com/news/20071028/multiple-personality-case-of-billy-milligan-still-fascinates" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190703225554/www.dispatch.com/news/20071028/multiple-personality-case-of-billy-milligan-still-fascinates

Popchyk · 13/09/2019 09:37

That seems to be the rule, Stop.

When a man sexually assaults or murders another man, then the perpetrator is reported as being a man (even though the perpetrator now claims to be a woman).

When a man sexually assaults or murders a woman or children, then the perpetrator is reported as being a woman, because that's what the perpetrator claims.

Contrast with this report headline:

Sheffield woman found with over 1,000 indecent images of children hauled before the court

www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-woman-found-with-over-1000-indecent-images-of-children-hauled-before-the-court-477960

This man was arrested as a male - Tony Prince (legal name Anthony). He started identifying as a woman while he waited over 3 years for a court date. No jail time for him because he'd waited so long to get to trial.

StopThePlanet · 12/09/2019 23:35

Yeah we got it, TW victimizes men they are men. Rape, murder, molest, peep on, women or children and they are definitely female. Ya know because facts only matter when men are hurt.

Basic logic ya'll Hmm

Popchyk · 12/09/2019 22:59

The Telegraph makes the transgender connection in the headline:

Drug dealer who murdered man he met on gay dating app Grindr is to seek gender reassignment in prison

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/11/drug-dealer-murdered-man-met-gay-dating-app-grindr-seek-gender/

"But during mitigation at the Old Bailey, his lawyer, Louise Sweet QC, said Matovu had identified as female from the age of eight and now intended to seek gender reassignment while in prison.

Ms Sweet said Matovu hoped to have gender reassignment while in prison".

By self identifying as female, Matovu could be entitled to a separate cell, be permitted to shower alone and even apply to serve his sentence in a female prison".

Weird that the guy waited 18 years until he was on remand for murder before he actually chose to do anything about his "gender issues".

So strange.

Popchyk · 12/09/2019 22:42

"Grindr Killer Gerry Matovu now identifies as a woman. He appeared in court via a video link in full make-up and drummed his artificial nails on the table as the victim's family told how he had destroyed their lives".

twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/1171763489427378176

More details from the Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7451195/Grindr-serial-killer-Stephen-Ports-drug-dealer-jailed-31-years.html

ThePurported · 12/09/2019 08:47

It must be because the victims were gay. They - quite rightly - don't want to gaslight the victims by suggesting that their attacker was a female.
It's a shame that the same courtesy isn't given to women and victims of paedophiles when the attacker identifies as xyz.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/09/2019 08:43

Internalised homophobia is a recognised thing, juells.

Juells · 12/09/2019 08:38

They certainly explicitly targeted gay men. Whatever the nuance of their motivations, the effect is indistinguishable from homophobic.

Because they themselves were gay.

NotBadConsidering · 12/09/2019 08:30

If Pink News can pick and choose which pronouns to use when it suits them, why are we subjected to rules around “misgendering” @MNHQ?

JellySlice · 12/09/2019 07:36

I wonder, did the judge insist that Matovu be described using the female pronoun, as in the case of Tara Wolf?

nettie434 · 12/09/2019 07:16

In the link Scrimshaw sent, The Guardian report the convicted person had:

had a troubled upbringing and had sought help with gender realignment, having identified as female since the age of eight, the court heard.

This makes the misgendering even stranger. Can only think the fact that the victims were men rather than women makes a difference to the use of preferred pronouns.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 12/09/2019 06:49

www.facebook.com/198650096517/posts/10157798717206518/

Penis News completely missed the fact this person now identifies as trans. Plus they totally misgender them throughout!

Shouldn't we call the police or something?

HandsOffMyRights · 11/09/2019 23:06

This is part of a BBC response to a complaint regarding the BBC referring to Karen White as 'she'

The context and detail of the crimes, the court’s proceedings and findings, and Karen White’s history are clearly set out in the article. And it is a standard of our journalism to refer to a subject by their preferred pronoun.

And it is a standard of our journalism to refer to a subject by their preferred pronoun.

So, BBC does this criminal refer to themselves as s/he/ or a seahorse?

Or is the BBC breaking its own guidelines on misgendering?
I wish Auntie/Uncle would show some consistency. Anyone would think they just make up the rules to suit.

Gingerkittykat · 11/09/2019 22:50

Self ID is an excellent move for this man, after 6 months he will be able to legally change his gender, without any input from a gender specialist.

(based on who is proposed in Scottish law)

BarbaraStrozzi · 11/09/2019 22:33

I'm so tempted to write a prissy letter to the Guardian asking why they are misgendering this poor, troubled soul brutal murderer.

After all, if they extend the courtesy of "she" to rapist Karen White
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison, murderer Claire Darbyshire www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/26/carer-claire-darbyshire-guilty-murder-multiple-sclerosis-father, and rapist Davina Ayrton www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/08/transgender-woman-raped-girl-before-transition-male-prison-davina-ayrton, why not this person?

This person says they're trans, so (Stonewall acceptance without exception) they are trans. Why the pronouns, Graun?

donquixotedelamancha · 11/09/2019 22:01

On searching there sadly appear to be a number of similar cases.

Tsk. What is the world coming to when you aren't even safe with complete strangers you meet on Grindr?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 11/09/2019 21:59

The Guardian have also misgendered the murderer.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/11/stephen-port-drug-dealer-gerald-matovu-jailed-for-of-bond-film-actor

How on earth can they tell who is genuine and who doesn't deserve their pronouns? Is it just post murder one's pronouns are taken off one, even if they're going in a female prison?

TheBullshitGoesOn · 11/09/2019 21:58

He's the wrong sort of trans. He mustn't be allowed to sully the image of vulnerable, oppressed transwomen. So they are pretending he isn't one.

But you can't have it both ways BBC. If he says he's a woman then he is.

Doyoumind · 11/09/2019 21:50

Just out of interest, I had a look around to see how this had been reported elsewhere and they all referred to him as a man, mentioning he identifies as female, except PN who conveniently completely failed to mention his current gender identity at all.

Fraggling · 11/09/2019 21:38

Huh?

Where is the consistency.

If you say you're female you're female.

And that's it, right.

And womens prison is the place to be.

I don't get it. Either they believe in self id and twaw or they don't. This picking and choosing, while women are told to accept everyone at all times and ask no questions, is bang out of order.

hoodathunkit · 11/09/2019 16:40

Why oh why does he not simply claim to have DID/MPD like so many others do?

Just as credible / incredible and requires fewer hormones and surgeries.

BarbaraStrozzi · 11/09/2019 16:33

As others have said, interesting that when a gay man murders another man, suddenly he remains "he" on the BBC even when identifying as female (rapid prison onset gender dysphoria, indeed). Yet when men target women, we must respect their pronouns.

Perhaps Layla Moran has been giving the BBC's crime reporters lessons into seeing into people's souls, so they don't make mistakes but can miraculously distinguish true trans from trans-for-the-stay.

MoltenLasagne · 11/09/2019 16:29

You’re right Juells, I’ve confused this with a similar case where a straight man was using Grindr to target gay men. On searching there sadly appear to be a number of similar cases.

steeples · 11/09/2019 16:29

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ErrolTheDragon · 11/09/2019 16:25

'Matovu and his partner Dunbar drugged some victims, calculating they would be "too embarrassed to report what happened", said the judge.
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His associate had targeted gay men to rape and sexually assault.

They certainly explicitly targeted gay men. Whatever the nuance of their motivations, the effect is indistinguishable from homophobic.