Owl Fisher in the Guardian

Maybe Owl would like to ponder an alternative proposition.

'When transgender people support women's rights, everyone wins - just like in ... well, nowhere currently'.

What would transgender people lose that they actually need by supporting women's rights and campaigning for their own complementary rights?

The section on emotional abuse looks like a classic example of DARVO if you have any idea about what trans widows go through.

I'm guessing owl has no idea whatsoever. Which tbf isn't entirely owls fault, given that transwidows are generally invisible and ignored.

Owl helpfully links to this document by 'Scottish Trans' about Transgender People’s Experiences of Domestic Abuse to illustrate that transwomen are at 'heightened risk' of domestic abuse. The report is based on self-reporting by 60 transgender people of both sexes (28 are transwomen, 19 transmen and 13 'other gender variant people'), but Owl assumes it is only about transwomen and doesn't mention the tiny number of people included in the survey.

The section on emotional abuse looks like a classic example of DARVO if you have any idea about what trans widows go through.

not just for women, but for the LGBT community too

Careful, Owl, your exclusion of women from the 'LGBT community' is showing.

By 'you', I mean Fisher.

I can imagine some of the horrible attacks on transpeople are entwined with misogyny, and policing of 'gender roles', but you have lost the ability to actually name transphobia accurately because you've diluted it to an absurd degree by labelling any suggestion of debate, questioning or critical thinking as 'transphobia'.

Its one of those logical fallacies .... make a valid assertion but then draw invalid conclusions from it.

Yes, we're all agreed the notion 'correct gender roles' is a Very Bad Idea. So you're critical of gender ... duh, then be gender critical. Just don't think it's got anything to do with sex, or the sex-based causes of women's oppression. If men who look down on non men are a problem, in particular if it's associated with male violence, then address that. The solution is not to accede to this mindset, a la the Green Party.

"The idea of a “correct gender role” in the old law was highly controversial within both trans’ and women’s rights organisations. Legally encoding gender roles in a modern society seemed wildly out of touch with the direction of travel in society."

This makes sense to me, but what doesn't is how this then means that people should be able to change their legal sex. Surely changing your legal sex further legally encodes gender roles!

Owl Fisher couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.

Real transphobia may well be rooted in many men's contempt of anybody who isn't a 'real man'. It goes alongside misogyny and homophobia and if you're thinking fuzzily could get confused with either of them.

The claim is that people who dislike transwomen do it because they think males who identify as women are identifying into the 'inferior' sex class and are debasing themselves.