Rebekah Robertson - the Australian Susie Green

I know someone in the field who definitely considers factitious illness or some form of parental driving force as one possibility when assessing.

I feel like it's only people who arent parents who could possibly NOT consider it tbh.

Haven't we all found ourselves influencing our children in ways we did not expect or even want? Don't nost of us feel desperate not to pass on distortions from our own upbringing, but find our children reflecting back things about our own lives or personalities that we'd not questioned?

Children are autonomous and have rights but they are NOT ADULTS and it is wrong and damaging to treat them as adults.

My grandad was born in 1891. I recall my dad telling me that grandad was raised as a girl for some years, but then his parents had a girl baby and he was allowed to dress as a boy and participate in boy’s activities (it being the 1890’s there were some clear demarcations). Obviously my grandad grew up to be a straight male. So perhaps, to an extent, MBP/gender-parental stuff has been around for a long time (though of course it’s more widely spread now).

I've just posted on a different thread. I played with loads of "boy" toys as a child. I also loved "girl" toys. I was encouraged to be me, nothing was "boy" or "girl". My brother and I shared most of our toys, and I remember playing dress-up with him and putting him in our mum's old dresses. I went through stages of wanting to be various animals, I so wanted to be a horse at one stage. For ages I desperately wanted to be a fairy, I was obsessed with having magical powers and wings and being able to fly.

Children go through various stages. That doesn't mean they are trans. It's something only an adult can fully understand, taking life-changing drugs, possibly surgery, all things only an adult can truly give informed consent to. Surely?

The Canada case is slightly different, perhaps a case of ROGD (girl starting to identify as a boy aged 11). But again it's the mother supporting the transition, and the father fighting for a more rational approach.

Meanwhile, in Canada...

Father's behaviour toward transgender child an act of violence, B.C. court told

The father went to court to try to block the treatment, but in February, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Gregory Bowden ruled that the child was “exclusively entitled” to consent to treatment. Bowden went on to declare that the child must also be referred to using male pronouns and that any attempt to persuade the child to abandon treatment or references to the child using female pronouns “shall be considered to be family violence.”

The father filed an appeal on the grounds that the lower court had delivered a “rush to judgment” without considering all scientific opinion on such treatments, that a person his child’s age is incapable of appreciating the potential consequences of a “still experimental treatment,” and that an order preventing him from publicly talking about his child’s gender identity infringed on his freedom of expression.

When appeal court panel member Justice Barbara Fisher questioned whether the father’s actions met the definition of family violence, findlay replied that the father’s insistence that his child be somebody that he is not was a clear attempt at coercion and intimidation.

The man insisting that his daughter is a girl is seen as 'insistence that his child be somebody that he is not'. How the hell did we get here?

I'm not aware of that MRA dad, so would be interested to see the tweets (even though Im banned)

Remember this case of Mermaids being ordered to stay away from this family whose mother was pushing for 'transition', while the father was opposed to his son being exploited.

'In a High Court case, reported last year, Mr Justice Hayden removed the child – known only as ‘J’ – from his mother after finding she had caused him ‘significant emotional harm’ and ‘pressed [him] into a gender identification that had far more to do with his mother’s needs and little, if anything, to do with his own’.

His mother's needs

metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/

Georgie was put on puberty blockers aged 10

10. Jésus wept.

There is one dad on twitter, isn't there? He's a massive TRA antagonist.

Are there any well known trans kids where the dad appears as the driving force?

I bet it does, Datun

The reactions are so odd as to warrant attention.
My job takes me into numerous early years settings. I cant tell you how many boys I see trying on the 'princess' dresses. It is so common and everyday that I feel I am telling you something as obvious as, in nurseries children get paint on their hands. None of the chilcare staff are terrified, or interested in any way, the usual response is ' you try to get your arms in yourself if you get stuck I will help'. Numerous times a day.

HandsOffMyRights

I've tried to find the article again but it's not coming up on search.

What I do now, though, is apply that possibility to the parents of children who trans, and see whether or not it fits.

It's remarkable how often it does.

Datun That study sounds pertinent.

The 'fame' and attention that is attached to being the parent of that 'special' child is worth exploring.

Amanda Jette Knox, Susie and Rebekha and Jazz's parents are all in the spotlight because of their families. Rebekha's child, mentioned in the article, is in Neighbours, has a book out. What of the twin brother who did not undergo hormones and surgery?

Jazz Jennings is another child who has been thrust into the media spotlight.
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For a 'high profile' parent of a child who has undergone surgery,
The book deals, TED talks, column inches, TV series and personal appearances generate exposure/provide a career (along with loyal followers, fans if you like) it's lucrative too.

Our data is on the UK Data Archive, but there's a lovely browsable database here:
wordbank.stanford.edu/

(Non UK though, but a whole load of interesting languages)

And they had assumed that the doctors to whom they were referred, would do a thorough assessment.

Yeah but they are 'Gender Therapists' and such. Sometimes only a 6 month- one year general course, with stars in their eyes and kindness and benevolence abound

As someone who created the first UK-widevdatabase of babies' first words

There's a database of first words?

How did I not know this?

As someone who created the first UK-widevdatabase of babies' first words - nope, with a side order of no way.
But parents have notoriously poor memories for their children's abilities when younger.

Or as simple as the average doctor has about 10-15 minutes with a patient and the easiest thing to do is to refer on....

There was a psychiatrist, or psychologist, (I'm not sure), doing a AMA on here who said they just referred kids on. They didn't have any choice. And they had assumed that the doctors to whom they were referred, would do a thorough assessment. Which they now know they don't, from the Tavistock expose.

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

I'd hazard because most doctors now are super trans Woke. Not being mean, it's the reality afaics.

Also maybe like with the trans stuff, they don't like to cast negative impressions. (Let's all be nice, and kind).

Or as simple as the average doctor has about 10-15 minutes with a patient and the easiest thing to do is to refer on....

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

The same reason that nothing else is considered. Affirmation only.

Amy Challoner's mother visited the doctor with one or other of her children every week for years.

Amy is not the only child in the family to transition.

It's certainly something that needs looking at. It's the ideal 'illness' for someone MBP.

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

What are the chances? I think they are high.

I'd agree the chances of MPB are high.

In particular I find it interesting that the NHS notes some cases of fabricated illness appear to have a profit motive. Unfortunately it's best to never underestimate just how low some humans will go.

I read a study a couple of years ago, from the US, which looked at the parents of trans children.

Amongst the parents, there was, apparently, a significant number of women who had good or highflying careers, prior to having children. The theory being that having children deprived them of the kudos they had previously enjoyed.

So making childrearing more special, more significant, more attention grabbing and different to every other mother raising children, became the issue.

High as in, most MBP are women, the mothers, of these very young children who are labeled trans at such a young age.

Lots of other reasons/circumstances but it's a red flag to be aware of.