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New Vagina Museum - or something else?

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AllTheLittleAngelsRiseUp · 06/09/2019 13:12

I've been lurking for a bit, wanting to see if anyone else had picked up on this, and working up to post.

I was very excited when I first read about the proposal for a museum in London celebrating all things vagina.

The first publicity was very gyno focused, female centred, and unapologetic.

In a seemingly short time, the presentation changed to focus on inclusivity, to the extent that this interview happened:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/04/05/worlds-first-vagina-museum-lgbt-inclusive/

“What I really hope that the museum will be able to do is [showing] actually, we’ve had transgender people all throughout history, but you don’t hear about them, because they’re not included in your textbook,”

The museum website also gives out mixed messages:

www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/visionmissionvalues

I tried engaging with the museum, emailing a couple of times to ask if they could clarify the aim and focus of the museum. I'm not sure if it was bad reporting or whether the focus of the museum has moved from biological sex & vaginas and the socio-cultural relevance, to more woolly notions of gender, and inclusiveness. I thought it was fair and not at all offensive or bigoted to ask.

They are asking for public donations and, while I would support an appropriately female-centred organisation that centred women and girls and educated people about the vagina, I'm reluctant to support something that was in danger of being hijacked before it got off the ground. At a time when transgender ideology is encouraging girls to be ashamed of their bodies and promoting the lie that a 'lady dick' is the same as a vagina.

I'd like to know what strategies are in place to deal with this from the get go.

I never got a response to my emails, not even a dismissal. Just completely ignored. I don't think I deserved that, as I was polite and reasonable in my emails. Maybe I should put this in the AIBU forum?!?

Am I starting to tilt at windmills?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/11/2019 09:45

So will this museum be showing the surgery constructed vaginas and explain the process and ongoing medical needs of such a procedure? That would be informative.

CircleofWillis · 03/11/2019 09:29

Can we create our own vagina museum? Or even better a vulva museum because without contortion, instruments or scanning equipment you can't actually see the vagina. This one can centre women. We could have vulva casting classes, clitoral appreciation sessions and period costumes (!!!).

We could also have a wall of orchids to represent the estimated 101 million women who are missing from the human population due to sex selective abortions and female specific infanticide.

AllTheLittleAngelsRiseUp · 01/11/2019 18:08

So, the Vagina Museum is going to be relying on volunteers to staff the new venue:

drive.google.com/file/d/1uEK5OcSfpvI9VFm-12pBuet-MB8Aoxm-/view

To volunteer one must:

"Please confirm that you would support our mission and values in your volunteer role -

Spread knowledge and raise awareness of the gynaecological anatomy and health

Give confidence to people to talk about issues surrounding the gynaecological anatomy

Erase the stigma around the body and gynaecological anatomy

Act as a forum for feminism, women’s rights, the LGBT+ community and the intersex community

Challenge heteronormative and cisnormative behaviour

Promote intersectional, feminist and trans-inclusive values "

[my bold]

They are only interested in including people who think exactly as they say they should. All or nothing. #nodebate.

So that means a lot of actual women excluded (and a lot of men too!), who might support some of the aims of the "museum", but question others.

Museums promote themselves as places of debate, learning, enquiry, disruption. Can we file a group motion under trades description? Perhaps they can change the name to 'Vagina Shmagina'?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/09/2019 10:42

If it looked at medical misogyny, like the torture of women like Anarcha, Lucy and Betsey who were used by Sims to develop gynae procedures; the way that having a vagina means babies in India are thrown on rubbish dumps; the way that having a vagina means you are missing from politics/industry/justice systems all over the world - brilliant.

And, about what women have achieved, despite our vaginas disadvantaging us under patriarchy.

And about what female bodies do - that our biology is simply remarkable.

That might be interesting. Looking at artefacts and art made by women all over the world about our bodies would be a great afternoon out.

and, yes, a bit about what happens to female bodies which transition, and a bit about a neo vagina which is smelly, painful and has hairballs - so not really like an actual vagina at all. It would be remiss to not include trans issues - but, why on earth are they first and foremost?

I don't have the impression that I'd leave the vagina museum feeling uplifted and proud and informed, but rather, pissed off that we can't even have a fucking museum about vaginas being about actual vaginas.

testing987654321 · 21/09/2019 08:26

Those girls need to not be lied to. They should be helped to accept that they are girls who will grow into women.

It's not helping anyone to pretend some boys or men have vaginas.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 21/09/2019 08:20

If anything they're serving the women identifying as men who are usually forgotten about by everybody else by reminding them that they do have female anatomy, its normal and nothing to be ashamed of talking about.

Coffee, I do see your point on this. But I don’t trust them.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 21/09/2019 08:18

I saw a news thing about it now opening. Me mention of ‘people’ or trans anything. Maybe, just maybe it’s about women?

So I hoped when I went to their event... but nope.

Popchyk · 20/09/2019 08:58

"Challenge heteronormative and cisnormative behaviour" is code for facilitating the take over by sexual fetishists.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/09/2019 08:07

Ah - oh - the image above is still there... I’m out. I can imagine the type of clientele...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/09/2019 08:05

I saw a news thing about it now opening. Me mention of ‘people’ or trans anything. Maybe, just maybe it’s about women?

SunsetBeetch · 20/09/2019 06:46

Of course it has all kind of "intersectional" rubbish tacked onto it.

I don't trust anything like this, like I don't trust the majority of "period poverty" initiatives. It always seems to come down to pushing the gender agenda ahead of helping women.

New Vagina Museum - or something else?
Popchyk · 19/09/2019 23:38

We all know exactly how this is going to go.

On the first day that the museum is open, Twitter will be awash with outrage about how the trans-inclusive vagina museum isn't trans-inclusive enough.

The words following phrases will be mentioned a lot:

  • triggered
  • transmisogyny
  • erasure of non-binary folx
  • obsessed with genitals
  • literal violence
  • complete lack of vaginas from the furry population
  • do better

The Vagina Museum will immediately capitulate on Twitter, apologising for pain and suffering and will commit to a dedicated Ladydique section that is larger and more prominent than the vagina section.

And so the world turns.

Cwenthryth · 19/09/2019 23:27

I’ve been to the penis museum in Reykjavik. It’s lots of different species’ willies in glass jars (spoiler: whales have especially big ones), one human one apparently was voluntarily donated, there’s a letter from the chap and everything.

The gift shop has some fun keyrings.

PickledGulag · 19/09/2019 23:21

Sorry just had un NOT that since it's bedtime Grin

PickledGulag · 19/09/2019 23:20

everyone who has a vagina is a woman

every woman has a vagina

and breathe...

KatvonHostileExtremist · 19/09/2019 20:38

The Penis News article on the vagina museum centred penises, obviously. That made me laugh.

Where is the penis museum, I'd like to centre vaginas in it. Snort

EggysMom · 19/09/2019 18:43

A museum for vaginas?
What's a next, a museum for left elbows? big toes? the spleen?

MockersthefeMANist · 19/09/2019 18:41

...Vaginas, no charge for admission?

Popchyk · 19/09/2019 18:22

The Vagina Museum opens on November 16.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49753320

"Ms Schechter added that the museum, which will not charge for admission, will be inclusive of all genders because "not everyone who has a vagina is a woman, and not every woman has a vagina".

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/09/2019 09:09

GrinGrinGrin

Ameanstreakamilewide · 08/09/2019 08:45

You've got the patience of a saint, Empress.

Maybe this saint?? 🤷🏻‍♀️
This is tongue-in-cheek, in the extreme, but I like her!
Especially the epilepsy part...

www.racked.com/platform/amp/2016/2/12/10898406/saint-galentines-day-history

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 07/09/2019 20:07

Thinking about it and reading the other threads, there's little I object to, even though I'm GC.

The purpose of the VM is, as i understand it, to get people talking, sensibly and factually about vulvas, vaginas and uteri.

Unbelievable as it is to me, i know 5 trans teenagers, all identifying as male. I think I have only ever met a very small handful of other trans people, all adults. (The fact that the are so many teenagers so suddenly identifying as trans is of huge concern to me but for another thread). We also hear on this board of male identifying trans people not getting invited to, or not realising they still have to attend smear tests and so on. So to me, using language that is a bit clunky is okay because is important that what is essentially mainly a biology and demystifying lesson reaches all female bodied people. By using inclusive language (which in this case means hopefully still capturing the women who consider themselves men) they're not as far as I can see asking us to budge up for men, and they're not putting women's spaces or sports at risk. If anything they're serving the women identifying as men who are usually forgotten about by everybody else by reminding them that they do have female anatomy, its normal and nothing to be ashamed of talking about.

MockersthefeMANist · 07/09/2019 17:47

Time for a Joni Mitchell singalong?

They took all the vadges, put em in a vadge museum....

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 07/09/2019 17:45

Oh. I've seen them on tour, I thought they were very good with educating teenagers of both sexes about female anatomy. I must admit to seeing a couple of things on their Twitter more recently which made me wonder if I should be concerned.

Museums don't have to all be historical, no.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 07/09/2019 17:39

Jesus, Empress, if i had to listen to that crap, i think my head would have exploded.

Tell me about it....

It was all the worse in a way because the talks contained some really interesting stuff too. But the woke crap ruined it.

I left seething.

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