I've been kicked out of a breastfeeding group...

Aaargh... Men and women have both breasts and chests and they are not the same thing. Why are we changing definitions to appease some people and whilst simultaneously offending others when there is a perfectly good, gender neutral term that could be used - lactation?

Answers on a postcard, please.

Chest is best?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Nope, you're not.

It doesn’t cost nothing: I worked extremely hard to be able to breastfeed my daughter. Knowing that as a woman I had this unique ability to nourish her was a big part of how we’re were able to persevere through the first few months that were extremely difficult. The power of my female body was what inspired me. The strength that comes from being a mother, not just a parent is what helped me push on. I needed that connection to my essential femaleness. It was my wellspring of power. It made me feel like a superhero to grow a human both inside and outside my body. This was a body that had given me an autoimmune disease. It was a body that had given me cancer. But here I was, a woman, the ultimate giver of life.

So any TW who are delusional and think they may one day be able to breastfeed might find the facebook page in the OP transphobic? Because it uses the term chestfeeding? Which only refers to transmen or non-binary XX and therefore excludes them?

Mind now in knots. Fortunately my little nursling has made up her own word for it. Of course that doesn't change the biological reality. (that biological reality of millions of years of evolution and all mammalian species )

Don't all men have breasts? Just very flat ones with very little tissue?

When men have cancer behind the nipple it is called breast cancer, not chest cancer.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Men can chestfeed. Biological XY men. They give them a cocktail of hormones and they produce milk and can chestfeed. They even grow moobs (man boobs).

Yum yum.

Am I being thick in that if a trans woman is serious enough about transitioning that they want to try to breastfeed, they would wish to call it breastfeeding because that fits the gender they feel they are and the body they have transitioned to?

They almost certainly would. And if they could lactate then it would be correct to call it breastfeeding.
The 'chestfeeding' nonsense is for the benefit of transmen (obviously not transitioned) or 'nonbinaries'.

It's interesting how some biological terms are "triggering" and therefore may no longer be used by women when referring to themselves. Usually they are things that are sexualised by men. Ie. We must call breasts chests, and we must call our vaginas "front holes".
Yet apparently the terms "endometriosis" and "uterus" are OK. "men can have a uterus yahda yahda"...

Of course it does tell you a lot about such people (who are willing - even theoretically - to experiment on human babies).

Of course it will never happen. But the fact some people even talk about it without considering the implications for the baby's health is disturbing.

The kit will probably be out in 5-10yrs. They’ve already “experimented” on newborns with other men who have done this. It will have same level of testing as other stuff given to newborns, like vaccines for example.

Nope. Still not going to happen. You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this ridiculous idea will ever come to fruition.

And babies aren’t fed hormones by them. The man takes the hormones and actually lactates human milk.

This lack of very very basic knowledge about breastfeeding is really disturbing.

If you take drugs some amount of them will end up in the breastmilk that your baby is drinking (more or less depending on the molecular structure of the drug). Have you not heard the stories of women being told to actually stop breastfeeding because of having to take some extremely well known drug or other at low doses for a very short period of time? I was told to stop bf - incorrectly - because I needed an antibiotic that actual newborns are prescribed so there is some data on their use in actual babies.

Presumably the amounts of hormones needed would be massive and continual and therefore massive doses of synthetic hormones would also be ingested by the tiny baby over a long period of time. It would be feeding drugs to a baby experimentally for what? The baby will have been born of a human woman who could breastfeed instead, or there is formula which is regulated.

Experimentation on babies, feeding them high levels of unlicensed drugs all for a man's fetish. Even the idea of it is disgusting.

Trans men can and do sometimes have babies. Odd that someone who believes they are/ought to be male want to do this purely female thing, but there you are. God alone knows what they call their womb...

Am I being thick in that if a trans woman is serious enough about transitioning that they want to try to breastfeed, they would wish to call it breastfeeding because that fits the gender they feel they are and the body they have transitioned to?

Oh ffs is this a real thing?!

You can only breastfeed with a woman's breasts. You know, coz they produce milk.

So therefore it's not exclusionary to say breastfeeding.

Sometimes this stuff gets so ridiculous I think I must be misunderstanding it.

My trans friends are so angry that the people who are pushing this agenda don't seem to give a shit that ironically they are making life harder for the vast majority of the trans community because people assume they agree with things like this when they don't!

Well, I don’t think we can properly call moobs breasts

Sure we can. Here's what the dictionary says:

Definition of breast (Entry 1 of 2)
1
: either of the pair of mammary glands extending from the front of the chest in pubescent and adult human females and some other mammals
also : either of the analogous but rudimentary organs of the male chest especially when enlarged

‘Man takes hormones and lactates human milk’.
1 ‘takes hormones’
2 what’s in this ‘milk’
3 why exactly would a man do this? It is not necessary for the baby.

If they’re using a breast to feed the child it’s called breastfeeding.

Did you ask them if they intend to change the group name Op?

Jeez op. Just tell them to fuck off

Sometimes it’s really that simple

Well, I don’t think we can properly call moobs breasts. They’re artificially induced. You can say a man can breastfeed if you want to, it won’t offend me or anything. I just prefer to call it chest feeding. Kind of like I call implants fake boobs instead of breasts. They’re artificial, they’re temporary therefore not breasts. And “breast tissue” isn’t referring to breasts. It’s referring to tissue attached to the breast bone (or sternum).
And babies aren’t fed hormones by them. The man takes the hormones and actually lactates human milk.
The kit will probably be out in 5-10yrs. They’ve already “experimented” on newborns with other men who have done this. It will have same level of testing as other stuff given to newborns, like vaccines for example.

I don’t really have feelings about this as it’s too new. It’s a sort of gee whiz thing like the guy that went flying down the Thames on a hovering skateboard type thing.

OTC lactation kit

There was a half baked project by a design student not long ago glibly proposing something like this wasn't there?

The male lactation kit sounds horrible. And as other have said, surely it's still breast tissue. And what about male nipples?! They're so small!

OP find a new group. I'm 22 months in with my boy and going strong.

If it’s producing milk it’s a breast. If it’s a chest, some poor baby is sucking on a man’s hairy nipple.

Don’t get me started on chemically-induced breast puss milk.

@DoomsdayCult

That OTC lactation kit is not going to happen because it is unethical to experiment on new born babies.

Why do I have to explain that?