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I've been kicked out of a breastfeeding group...

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FairfaxAikman · 04/09/2019 18:59

On Facebook for objecting to the term "chestfeeding".

For a page called Breastfeeding is the Biological Norm they have a curious aversion to biological reality. 🙄

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 05/09/2019 07:38

dumb men.

TeamUnicorn · 05/09/2019 07:18

My understanding is that 'chestfeeding' is the term used by women who transition to be a man and then want to feed their babies but don't want to call their 'chest area' breasts as this would refer to them being a woman.

I really struggle to understand this. They don't want to refer to themselves as women but they have done and are doing the thing that only a woman can do.

And tbh it is not about them but the poor little TRA who finds the term 'triggering' aka no-one is allowed to talk about biological reality because they say so. They have managed to twist it so women do it because it is 'kind'.

BluebonicPlague · 05/09/2019 07:16

LordProfFekko

Breast is pornified? Surely that should be tits, knockers, fun bags etc...

I should have been clearer: I meant 'breast' as concept rather than word. Presumably there are TMs who wouldn't be happy to think of their 'breasts'. Indeed, the way men focus on them is put forward as one of the possible reasons people want to transition. To use the word 'chest' removes the titillation aspect. I'm not defending it; I think it's bonkers to insist that everyone else uses the term.

joystir59 · 05/09/2019 07:15

Surely it is transmen that want to be referred to as chest feeders? I would have thought transwomen would want to be referred to as breastfeeders, as they have made every effort to grow breasts?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 05/09/2019 07:10

What else should we change the words for so we don’t upset a handful of men?

SnuggyBuggy · 05/09/2019 07:06

That's crazy. We should be promoting breastfeeding as something all women can do not making it sound like some weird niche activity. Chestfeeding FFS!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 05/09/2019 07:04

Breast is pornified? Surely that should be tits, knockers, fun bags etc...

dottiedodah · 05/09/2019 07:03

I must say I have never heard of this.Surely this is just completely crazy!.When my children were young ,we had NCT groups and advice and support on BF.I would see if anything like this is available in your area(must be groups all across UK I should think).I BF until about 15 months following a difficult birth and Surgery and they were very supportive to me.The whole things sounds mad TBH!

BluebonicPlague · 05/09/2019 07:00

It's to be inclusive of transmen, who don't want to use the word 'breast' because we live in a pornified society. It's wrong and bonkers and TM need to get over themselves if they are actually bearing and breastfeeding children rather than helping to reinforce the pornification of 'breast' by dissociating from the word.
But I'm curious to know how much of the pressure to change the term is actually down to TMs and how much to MTF TRAs and white knight wokesisters.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 05/09/2019 06:48

The message they posted is insane. The last sentence is revealing. You, and all of us, are also entitled to live our lives being true to ourselves and shouldn’t be forced to accept others belief systems.

shearwater · 05/09/2019 06:08

Hormone meds are awful

Are they? Yet a lot of women spend most of their adult lives ingesting synthetic hormones.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/09/2019 03:21

“XY males who fetishise breast feeding” is the short answer to your question, 18.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/09/2019 03:19

*fetishise

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/09/2019 03:18

What XY male would want to have periods, with all the pain and hassle it involves?

And yet, some XY males insist they have periods. They even buy tampons and talk about changing them.

It is the same with breastfeeding. Some XY males fetish female biological functions.

A desire to... “experience motherhood in its whole” is an interesting perspective.

Wonderland18 · 05/09/2019 02:32

What XY male would opt to take a “cocktail of hormones” to grow larger breasts and lactate?

  1. Hormone meds are awful.
  2. Growing pains and getting used to lactation is painful and uncomfortable.
  3. They are going to go through all this to experience the pain, demand and uncomfortable latches the first initial 6 weeks entail.
  4. Even when breastfeeding becomes easier there’s the pain of adjustment to every new tooth your LO cuts.

Completely different if a male has transitioned to female and wants to experience motherhood in its whole but they are still breasts and therefore should be called such.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/09/2019 02:06

We need two options for breast feeding support:

  1. Trans centred - for trans people, non-binary people and CW (self-identified “c*s” women) - which would use chest feeding, uterus-bearers etc.
  1. Woman centred - for the rest of us who use breast feeding, mother and baby etc.

With so many institutions abandoning women, there are business opportunities for “women centred services,” I for one would support them.

1forAll74 · 05/09/2019 01:46

Why do people need to go on these wacky things. If you wan't to breast feed (chest ha ha ) just breast feed,and if not ,formula it is. Social media is wrecking peoples brains, that's for sure.

ILearnedItFromABook · 05/09/2019 00:57

The world is getting crazier all the time...

(But yes, biological men have breasts, too, so the name-change really makes no sense at all.)

steff13 · 05/09/2019 00:50

Presumably the amounts of hormones needed would be massive and continual and therefore massive doses of synthetic hormones would also be ingested by the tiny baby over a long period of time. It would be feeding drugs to a baby experimentally for what? The baby will have been born of a human woman who could breastfeed instead, or there is formula which is regulated.

It can't be healthy to give the man massive amounts of hormones to make his body do something it was not designed to do, either. It feels like a bad idea for everyone involved.

steff13 · 05/09/2019 00:45

I would only insist that chestfeed be used accurately. So chestfeed for men, breastfeed for women. I would not want to see all feeding via lactating mamaries called chestfeeding.

But, if the medication causes men to grow breasts (moobs, apparently), then it's still breastfeeding.

rubyroot · 05/09/2019 00:41

Hmmmm i left a breastfeeding group as the sanctimonious twats got on my nerves.

HeadintheiClouds · 05/09/2019 00:30

Gender ideology is just transphobic nonsense that confuses sex and gender??! Don’t you just love it when gobshites are prepared to argue to the death something they understand so little of that they’ve got it arse over tit themselves?
Idiotic halfwit.

StoppinBy · 05/09/2019 00:22

My understanding is that 'chestfeeding' is the term used by women who transition to be a man and then want to feed their babies but don't want to call their 'chest area' breasts as this would refer to them being a woman.

user1573624 · 05/09/2019 00:20

I think this might be the same group that kicked me out for disagreeing that having sex and breastfeeding at the same time was normal and natural. They didn't mean bedsharing but actual intercourse whilst latched on.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 05/09/2019 00:20

God alone knows what they call their womb...

Presumably their mb....

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