I've been kicked out of a breastfeeding group...

There's been a lot of it about around World Breastfeeding Week this year, lots of pleas to accept ALL forms of feeding a baby breast milk, rightly so, tube fed/sns etc, but there is always a reference to chestfeeding, usually accompanied by a illustration of a woman with a short haircut and facial hair.
There must be alot of pressure on groups to include this.
Reassuringly, a woman on one of the Facebook groups I'm on posted an article critisisng the rise in gender neutral language in maternity services and it received almost complete support.

They are trying to police language - and thought. It’s bonkers. Resist!

The prevalence of female transsexuals is 1 in 34.000, the prevalence of women who identify as trans at most is apparently 1%.

Mastectomy is the most common surgery among women who identify as trans, both because it is relatively risk free with good outcomes and because it goes a long way towards helping them cope with their gender dysphoria.

So, just how many such women go on to actually breastfeed?

For the sake of no more than 1% of women then, 99% have to change their language?

Bearing in mind that the 99% also includes a lot of women who are neuroatypical, a lot for whom English is not their first language and a lot of women who have cognitive issues. All of whom depend on clear unequivocal terms being used to reach them. Do the woke care about supporting these women when they need bf support?

Brilliant mite, totally agree though now have images of beetles breastfeeding

That's why it's batshit to start with. Men have breasts. I think of the breastplate of a suit of armour.

There are woefully inadequate resources dedicated to breastfeeding anyway: my example of lack of education of health professionals around medications and breastfeeding upthread is the tip of the iceberg - ANYTHING that detracts from real, practical support costs both mothers and children.

The support and education is utterly woeful. I can't believe the lack of support my sil recently had. And then the stupid comments by my (otherwise v nice but clearly naive) bil about their baby's mouth 'not being anatomically right for bf.' He didn't mean tongue tie or anything like that, just the shape of their baby's lips.

Way to go to blame the baby not to mention ignoring the whole human evolution. Meet the mother of a baby with a cleft palate and talk about anatomy

If anything I was thinking what a great little mouth for feeding he had, butbmy point is that general knowledge and understanding in the general population about bf is rather crap. There's a lot of ignorance from purely it being a non topic unless you want to - really want to - bf.

If you aren't sure but also have to run the gauntlet of woke policed language, you'll feel even more alienated.

A trans man who wants to bf, really wants to bf. And quite frankly has to accept for the purposes of pregnancy and bf they're using their female body. There's no other name for a womb or uterus or cervix ffs.

The lack of inclusion of bf on the pshe or RSE curriculum is shocking.

If it was it might go some way to desexualising breasts.

You’ve also start a pervy thread in the FWR boards.

DON’T TOUCH THAT LINK! Poster is spamming threads with a dodgy link.

"Breastfeeding is the biological norm" is a rather exclusionary group name. Not very woke. Don't they feel they should qualify in mind numbing detail how all the people with or without uteruses and not breastfeeding are equally valid human beings?

No, biological men cannot produce "breastmilk" that's anywhere near fit for a baby to consume. lascapigliata8.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/
Mother’s breastmilk in context of pregnancy isn’t the same as drug-induced galactorrhea in a man, nor is breastmilk static in composition. It starts as colostrum (birth – 4 days) which is a thick fluid full of fat, vitamins and immunoglobulins. Then it changes to more calorific transitional milk (4 days – 2 weeks), which is high in fat and vitamins, and after that it becomes mature milk which is 90% water.

The NHS still call it breastfeeding

www.unicef.org.uk/babyfriendly/baby-friendly-resources/breastfeeding-resources/off-to-the-best-start/

World gone mad

And no-one's stopping someone individually from calling bf 'chestfeeding' themselves. As I said, my DD has her own word for it. But if I went around trying to force everyone else to use that word and having a hissy fit and crying toddlerphobia if other people didn't fall into line or disagreed that that should be the new word for breastfeeding and that people using the term breastfeeding was literal violence against my daughter and I then that would be different, unhinged, bullying behaviour, wouldn't it?

The OP was THROWN OFF A FACEBOOK GROUP because she refused to use the language and challenged it as unhelpful for mothers trying to breastfeed (which I agree with) and sexist (which I also agree with). She was simply giving her opinion that using that term is harmful - harmful in fact to the exact demographic a breastfeeding page is aimed at.

I agree with pp who says that those saying "it doesn't cost anything" to use the term like chestfeeding to make a tiny, tiny, tiny number of people feel happier - it does cost. It costs all the women (undoubtedly a larger number than those who want to use this language) who won't access bf help because they find this exclusionary of them, as a woman. Like the OP (who obviously doesn't actually need help right now - but what if she did?).

There are woefully inadequate resources dedicated to breastfeeding anyway: my example of lack of education of health professionals around medications and breastfeeding upthread is the tip of the iceberg - ANYTHING that detracts from real, practical support costs both mothers and children. Of whom there will be many hundreds of thousands more than anyone who wants to police other women's language in this way.

If a trans man wanted to refer to themselves as “chest feeding”, I would find it irritating, but tbh I wouldn’t say anything. If that’s what someone wants to call it then, fine.

I would strongly object to the term being used generically in place of “breastfeeding”. Because I fed my babies with breasts. It would be like trying to deny my biology and deny that part of being a woman because it might trigger someone, as though breasts are shameful and need a euphemism. That’s misogyny.

Start calling it thoraxfeeding and see how many people say it's ridiculous. Then point out that thorax and chest mean exactly the same thing.

Fucking batshit.

@ErrolTheDragon females (women) have the reproductive system that is able to create and grow a baby, females have breast tissue that will produce milk to feed that baby (although there have been rare cases of males lactating but it is usually a sign of something more sinister going on). It comes across to me as someone who wants to pick and choose, they identify as a man but biologically are happy to take advantage of being a woman. I genuinely don't understand.

Personally I am not sure how you can deny you are a woman while being pregnant and breastfeeding but there you have it.

By confusing sex and 'gender', in a nutshell.

@TeamUnicorn don't get me wrong, it's not something I agree with but I have read an article on it and that was why the 'word' came about. Personally I am not sure how you can deny you are a woman while being pregnant and breastfeeding but there you have it.

Afficionados of the genre will recall Ms Chesty Morgan, who was ever so pornified in the film 'Deadly Weapons.'

Im thinking of joining a group. Maybe yoga. I will then demand that this now be referred to a Fekksercise. And anyone who disagrees will be expelled and banned from doing downward dog for ever.

Yet a lot of women spend most of their adult lives ingesting synthetic hormones.

And a significant proportion of them suffer side effects of varying degrees of debilitation, up to and including suicidal ideation, so it’s not a harmless thing to do.

And do they honestly think that the people they are placating will have their back when the chips are down? Really? Do they genuinely think these people give a fuck about breastfeeding women and their babies? Clue: they don’t.

A scan of their FB page shows picture after picture and some videos, some illustrations of women using breasts to feed babies. No chests are feeding babies in any of their photos. Every single woman is using a breast. There are no men feeding children shown on their page. So I can’t help but wonder exactly who they think they are placating with their insistence on using the word “chestfeeding”. It doesn’t appear in their group name, it doesn’t appear in any of the images they have added to their page. It doesn’t appear in 99.9% of their references to the act. It would appear that they don’t actually consider it chestfeeding themselves, so it looks very much like virtue signalling, that they are very happy to throw women who need breastfeeding support under the bus for. For who???

It is all about TW. All of the language we find dehumanising, is pushed at their behest - not due to TM.

If it was about TM, campaigns re prostrate cancer would be aimed at prostate havers.

They are not. Men’s health still talks about MEN although none of it relates to TM.