The Plastic Surgery Debate | Heather Peto, Julia Long, Miles Berry

I can't watch anyone tell us how authentic they are whilst simultaneously telling us they need plastic surgery and hormones that are meant for the opposite sex to be so.

Surely that is the opposite of 'authentic' ie fake.

Julia makes so much sense.

Peto’s chin-holding in position.... found that frustrating. Is it supposed to be a feminine affectation? It doesn’t suit.

I can’t speak for any others, but it doesn’t surprise me that a lot of commentary revolves around appearance. Men who go out of their way to appear feminine, but don’t claim to be women tend to be praised. Those who demand we call them women are opening themselves up to objections.

Look at the previous reaction to Eddie Izzard. Doubtless there would be a few narrow-minded people who would have criticised the cross-dressing, but most regarded it as courageous.

Those who try to bully us into submission will always make themselves ugly,

Thanks for posting this. Just watched it while having dinner and in a way I'd have preferred the debate Julia wanted to have on this (which touches on unnecessary surgery but encompasses so much more). The guy moderating it really had his work cut out to keep bringing it back within the framing of the discussion.

Would have loved to hear the audience questions but (as is customary) it's not been filmed. Just to know which questions may arise if that was an audience new to the issue and which ones if they were familiar with it.

And just to say, I salute you, Julia, for speaking your unadorned truth. 18 months ago, I might have flinched at your uncompromising language. Now I don't just agree, I use it myself. Transgender ideology and legislation are a violation of women's boundaries. That absolutely needs to be said.

I watched the first few minutes. The thing I find most mind boggling is the idea that I am expected to relate to Peto as a woman in any way whatsoever.

I am a straight female who always feels very uncomfortable with sexy women as viewed through the male gaze, much as Peto mentions. But my response isn't to emulate that sexy woman look but to utterly reject it whilst remaining confident in myself.

I see women such as Julia Long and Magdalen Berns as highly attractive. They both look very comfortable in their own skin, are fiercely intelligent, logical and highly persuasive. These are the kind of women I relate to, admire and take as my role models.