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Neighbours new trans character

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GillyWeasel · 02/09/2019 11:42

So, this is my first ever post on MN. I have been - what I think it is referred to as - lurking for some time. I was peak transed many months ago but have been prompted to share my frustrations this week after something that has particularly riled me.

I watch Neighbours and have done for years, yes I know, what an admission. It is pretty cheesy but for me it is a bit of escapism at the end of the day. However, I will no longer be watching it since their introduction of a new character, Mackenzie. What has enraged me most is that this is a school age child. I had a whiff of how the wind was blowing on the show a while ago when one of the characters decide that their inspirational for international women’s day was Laverne Cox Hmm
As soon as Mackenzie was introduced, my heart sank. I had my suspicion confirmed by the following two articles, both of which have made my blood boil.

inews.co.uk/culture/television/georgie-stone-neighbours-actor-mackenzie-hargreaves-transgender-character/

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/30/neighbours-first-trans-character-might-not-change-the-world-but-she-could-change-lives

inews, reporting that Georgie Stone is youngest person in Australia to have been given hormone blockers at age 10. Not just reporting but gloating that this contributed to changing the law there, which previously ‘compelled’ children wanting drugs having to apply to the family court. Wow, what an achievement, actually making it easier for young kids to access life changing, debilitating medication. I presume this family are the Australian equivalent of a certain CEO’s family of a certain British organisation which I will not name.

Then, the Guardian, again gloating that ‘trans actors will replace cis actors’, thank goodness, all will be right with the world now Shock
They report, spoiler alert, and the reason I am writing now, the upcoming story line. Fellow pupils demonstrate, demanding that this character be given use of the female bathrooms. Angry

FFS, I find this so irresponsible and damaging when, in the UK, sensible parents are battling against the nonsense guidelines pushed onto schools, gaslighting young girls into believing they are wrong for recognising male bodies in their changing areas.
This is mainstream tv, being shown twice a day, what a message to reinforce to school children. I will be complaining to channel 5 and they have lost a viewer. I can’t watch this woke BS, and who knows what the story line will be in a few months time.
Paul Robinson (most evil character) misgendering Mackenzie and being forcibly arrested? Mackenzie breaking the girls sprint record at Erinsborough high? Dr Karl Kennedy prescribing hormone blockers and carrying out top surgery at Erinsborough hospital?
AngryAngry

OP posts:
Pota2 · 04/09/2019 07:53

They had an episode of Silent Witness a while ago which features a large trans cast. However, they had clearly been chosen just because they were trans because the acting was appalling. But yes, I of course think trans people should get acting jobs on the same basis as any other people- hopefully based on merit. Although it’s not quite the same as being BAME which is more comparable to age, height etc. Being trans is being one sex but identifying with the other. There is no consensus of what medical treatment is required to be considered trans. Many trans people have made very few modifications to their bodies. Therefore I see being trans as more of an experience than a state of being. I don’t think actors need to have experienced the things they are portraying. Therefore I cannot see an issue with someone who is not transgender playing a trans part eg Eddie Redmayne or Julie Hesmondhalgh.

Ereshkigal · 04/09/2019 07:24

Wow, Dr Karl Kennedy and Paul Robertson are still around? I remember them from the days I was skiving school and sitting round watching daytime TV.

Have to say that was my first thought too! Paul Robinson has been in it since the late 80s! Shock I even remember the Stefan Dennis single.

NotBadConsidering · 04/09/2019 01:45

I’ll wager a squillion Aussie dollars that there won’t be a storyline about how “Mackenzie” has no sexual function as a result of hormone treatment. Hmm

Gingerkittykat · 04/09/2019 01:27

Wow, Dr Karl Kennedy and Paul Robertson are still around? I remember them from the days I was skiving school and sitting round watching daytime TV.

HugsAreMyDrugs · 03/09/2019 16:44

I have no idea tbh. I just thought I'd play it safe as I am already on my second strike.

I am just waiting for someone to come along and accuse me of misgendering Georgie Stone for referring to her as an actor...

CarolineKate · 03/09/2019 13:12

I really thought you were admitting to watching your neighbours out of your window when you got in from work but won't be doing anymore after they adopted a school aged trans child. HmmBlush

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/09/2019 13:10

I was a bit annoyed by a sitcom that had a transwoman being played by a woman

It was a repeat from a few years back

But the 10 year old on puberty blockers is just horrendous

QuizteamBleakley · 03/09/2019 13:10

I had no idea Neighbours was still on.

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HugsAreMyDrugs · 03/09/2019 11:49

The actor who plays her is a trans gender rights activist.

Just saying...

BeMoreMagdalen · 02/09/2019 19:29

I guess it's difficult to create that many interested or interesting parties if you're a bit of third rate non-entity of a programme. Guess it wont stop them trying. Bless.

TinselAngel · 02/09/2019 19:19

I got to 173 and lost interest.

You'd think it'd be more, Lang.

OldCrone · 02/09/2019 19:17

Like Julie Hesmondhalgh playing Hayley Cropper?

Had to google those names, but yes, like that. Wikipedia says she played that role from 1998, so since many people will have seen this character on TV, they might think that 'transwomen' actually look like Hayley Cropper, who was played by a woman, and that's who they'll immediately think of when they hear about transwomen if they don't know any in real life. Presumably the programme makers' intent was to try to convince people that 'transwomen' really are indistinguishable from women.

LangCleg · 02/09/2019 18:47

I thought I'd look on Wikipedia and count the number of characters Neighbours has had over the years. I got to 173 and lost interest.

CharlieParley · 02/09/2019 18:21

However the storyline goes, the reality is that the majority of boys who identify as trans have not suppressed puberty and who on the contrary are fully functional males identifying as trans and demanding access.

Nothing has changed the actual prevalence of gender dysphoria in homosexual transsexual males who are early-onset and who almost always go down the medical route by their mid-twenties at the latest. They are incredibly rare. And yet we suddenly have boys in almost every school identifying as trans, most of whom do not block puberty.

Which is why we now see girls being confronted by teen boys in their own changing rooms or toilets, boys who are straight. We've had incidents (most remaining private to protect the children involved) where such boys have been visibly aroused or stimulated themselves. And where some then "desisted".

I mean for boys so inclined this is the perfect way to harass girls with the perfect way in and the perfect way out. Considering that on average there is a rape on school premises in this country on every school day, why would such boys not take advantage?

BeMoreMagdalen · 02/09/2019 18:10

Of course it's exploitative. This person was given puberty blockers at 10 years old. They have never matured beyond childhood in body or brain. That they consider this something to evangelically promote on a second rate drama with a young following of impressionable minds is evidence enough.

The fact that creepy twitter types celebrate it, also.

TheRattleBag · 02/09/2019 18:02

Amongst all the horror here, this line stood out for me, from the Guardian article:

"Being trans is also pretty cool, I think"

Then they wonder why so many people are going down the trans route Angry

FamilyOfAliens · 02/09/2019 17:53

Do we think trans actors would really only want to play trans characters?

Or do we think what will really happen is that transwomen will want to be cast as actual women?

thirdfiddle · 02/09/2019 17:50

Oh, I thought they were saying it was a child actor - the actor is actually 19. Not as exploitative as I feared. From there it really depends what storyline they run. I'm not optimistic but not about to start watching neighbours to find out.

happydappy2 · 02/09/2019 17:46

There is no such thing as a trans child-only adults telling children there is something wrong with them and they can change their body into something else-totally unnaturally.

I have no issue with adult transexuals but this is blatant toxic BS when aimed at children. The storyline should be pulled (though I know it won't.)

GillyWeasel · 02/09/2019 16:32

Of course I don’t think transgender people should not be actors or not get acting parts. I meant that the writer seems to be implying that transgender people should get parts simply because they are transgender and not because of any other credentials. Also I do not feel that acting roles should be used to promote harmful ideology to children

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GirlDownUnder · 02/09/2019 16:10

only if you realise at a trans acotr isn't playing being trans.

Bespin now you're making stuff up I never said. Go back and read what's written not without the prejudice.

Bespin · 02/09/2019 16:02

And as long as Bespin realises a for eg a black actor isn't playing 'being black' -

only if you realise at a trans acotr isn't playing being trans.

EverylittleAlps · 02/09/2019 16:01

It would be totally inappropriate for a woman to play a male transgender person, because that would give the impression that a man could actually make himself indistinguishable from a woman in real life

Like Julie Hesmondhalgh playing Hayley Cropper?

GirlDownUnder · 02/09/2019 16:00

next they will be insisting that BAME characters are played by BAME actors next.

And as long as Bespin realises a for eg a black actor isn't playing 'being black' - they are a black actor playing a role eg doctor, so better represent our population reality and show that white is not the default.

But we would not require a role for a black doctor to only be played by an actual doctor who's black.

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