Athletics: China field a women’s relay team featuring two men

Sorry Datun I didn’t mean to sound critical.

No, no, I didn't mean to imply that you had. (Ha - look at us!)

There is, obviously, this ridiculous grey area where someone can say a man is a woman, and be accurate, in terms of the law.

But that means anyone can. And will.

It will only escalate the inevitable, I hope.

At which point, a saliva test would sort it, cheaply and non-invasively. For everyone. And just call them XX and XY, yes. No need to get involved in daft language that will only start a war of attrition, if they don't want to.

Owl is indeed stupid

I’m just going to stop you there.

Sorry Datun I didn’t mean to sound critical.

I don’t see how the chromosome test wouldn’t work. Clear rule of XY = can’t compete with women. No messing around with language.

Well, the future is certainly not female is it? The future olympics with be anyone not a natural born woman!

Owl is indeed stupid if Owl thinks that someone who was put on cross sex hormones before puberty, will need to be on medication for life, has possibly had extensive surgery and will have all manner of long term side effects from surgery and medication, will be equipped, physically or mentally to compete in sport at elite level.

And think about the commitment it takes to compete in sport at that level, it takes over your whole life and often the life of those around you from a fairly young age. I highly doubt that children who are apparently so gender dysphoric that they need to be put on cross sex hormones before puberty would have the head space to also be totally devoted to a sport as well.

At present the saliva test is pointless, the only people involved would be the governing body, the athletes and their respected country. The Y chromosome would first need to be excluded, at present under their own rules an xy athlete is female so the saliva test will come back female.

Bespin

They confirmed they are women. Women in the IOC sense. I.e. males with

I'm not suggesting it's instead of that, not bad. I completely agree, they should be tested. Everyone should, as a matter of course. So you're not singling anyone out.

But I can't find any backstory, at all. I've only skimmed, it's true, but you'd think there'd be something.

It would be easy to back up their claims, by showing photographs of up and coming athletes, interviews, high school grad pictures.

The problem with this is there is a history of falsified documents from China. Birth certificates for gymnasts “proving” they are over 16 for example. There needs to be independent testing. As pp have said, it’s not invasive. Saliva for chromosomes. Everyone who wants to compete in women’s sport should have to have one. If you have a Y chromosome, you can’t come in.

It would be easy to back up their claims, by showing photographs of up and coming athletes, interviews, high school grad pictures.

wondering if the Chinese are simply testing the waters by putting this photo out there ahead of the Olympics, to see what they might be able to get away with?

one of the woman is ranked 1420th in the world what will they be hoping to achieve, they top the medal table as it is there a 1/4 of the world's population. please tell us all about there sinister plans.

The more of these discussions we have, the more I am coming to the conclusion that males are much, much worse at picking up on subtle indicators and correctly identifying the sex of others. It’s been said many times before on FWR, but its a basic requisite for women and girls’ survival. We are exceptionally observant and way more vigilant. Scenes like one in the Bourne Identity where Jason Bourne ‘reads’ the room for threats for his female companion make me think “yeah, and?”

In my late teens I was only mildly short-sighted and could get away without wearing my glasses. My Mum persuaded me one evening that I looked prettier without them on and not to wear them out drinking in town/clubbing. It was a very uncomfortable evening and I did not enjoy myself at all. I couldn’t pick up on subtle cues and behaviour to determine whether I was walking into an edgy situation, especially once there were lots of disinhibited drunks in the crowd, or read people’s intent. It was the first and last time I went out without my glasses.

I'm wondering if the Chinese are simply testing the waters by putting this photo out there ahead of the Olympics, to see what they might be able to get away with?

Remember when Martina Navratilova apologised for using the word "cheat" in relation to RM? It wasn't because she agreed that it was all fine and dandy - it's because this is not cheating because it is in the rules that men can compete as women.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we didn't even need to have this discussion?

The problem is, that now that the word women is meaningless I have no idea whether any person claiming to be a woman is one. Whether that's these atheletes, or news stories about convicted sex offenders or mass shooters.

Why are some men so desperate for the word woman? Women are not simply people who aren't men or don't feel like men.

Yeah, and East Germany just gave those athletes lots of vitamin pills.

wheres the evidence they are not biological woman? anyone remember the day we spent claiming that the woman who carried out the mass shooting was trans, only to find out that she was not. I also beleive she was not white either.

you can always tell you know.

Yes we always can. We can always see what’s really going on. We can always see the trueness in people. We can always see what they are really like. We can always recognise gaslighting when we see it.

Where is your proof that they are biological women?

The article just says that the Chinese say they are women. I think you might have noticed that some men nowadays call themselves women EVEN when it's not true. Shocking I know.

Bullshit, Bespin, and you know it.

you do know that there all biological females don't you.

nextshark.com/chinese-runners-viral-men/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

you can always tell you know.

I despair!

Self ID will help with a female gender identity. Living as a woman for 3 months, followed by a 3 month waiting period and sign a form and you are legally a woman is what is proposed in Scotland.