Athletics: China field a women’s relay team featuring two men

Time and time again the people that says they are a woman because of an inner feeling and not biology are laughing at women rather than acting like part of the sisterhood.
That’s why I’ve never believed TWAW, because they never, ever behave like women.

Saying something does not make it reality.

Transwomen are not women.

These two men are not women.

Even if they got facial surgery, inverted their penises and looked hot, they are not women. If they lower their testosterone, they are not women.

The Chinese team is not even mostly female.

The IOC accept gender identity, feelings as being enough to call these dudes women. They are part of the problem.

But you guys can never ever make me and my sisters call a man a woman.

C'est ne pas un penis. Yes, it damn well is! The trechery of language, of accepted meanings. Damn postmodernism.

It's Shania Twainism

Man: "I feel like a woman."

Bespin see MrGHardys post. Because you say Even if the team says there woman

Define woman? Because the word no longer means anything.

A man says I’m a woman. The IOC agrees. You agree. This thread is born because we have eyes and don’t agree.

And girls and women (actual XX kind) lose. And for you it’s all word games and one upmanship. That’s not cool.

no proof

Well, I mean, except for the picture...

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no I take woman's issues seriously, I don't take people posting on a forum about possible made up issues they have no proof of less seriously.

what are we talking about that isn't we looked at some woman they look like men so we will call them that. Even if the team says there woman we will not beleive them because again with no evidence we know we are right.

Next up, no need to identify as a woman or to lower your testosterone a bit.

Because you'll be able to claim to be non-binary and not have to lower your testosterone at all.

Because if sports are segregated by gender identity and not sex, then why is one gender identity valid but another is not?

If woman as a feeling gets you into women's sports, then how come non-binary as a feeling doesn't get you into women's sports? Discrimination surely?

You'll just have to say that you "feel like a woman" some of the time. On race days for example, but you feel like a man the rest of the time.

Bit like Pips Bunce who feels like a woman when he accepts women's awards but feels like a man at other times.

As I have already told you and asked you about - calling someone a woman in the eyes of the IOC means nothing anymore. But I guess you don't actually want to really engage. It is quite obvious.

Come off it bespin.

Women's sport, women's rights, women's issues - all one big laugh to you, as you post on here and then run back to twitter to laugh with Joss Prior.

no I am laughing at the people who with no evidence have decided that a woman is a man when the athletic organisation of that country as said they are not. its not cool to single posters out like that. but hay you do you.

Oldcrone - So we'll just have males, presenting as male, dominating women's sports. Sounds fun.

This is gaslighting on an international scale - two of those athletes are men - they look male and they sound male. Who could deny it?

But all the IOC require is that a man declares that he has a 'female gender identity' and keeps his testosterone levels near the lower end of the normal male range. The IOC even say that people should have 'autonomy' over their gender identity, which presumably means that anyone can choose to have whatever gender identity they please. There is absolutely no requirement to present in a stereotypical female or feminine way, because that would mean that women also had to do this, and I think most people here would agree that forcing women to do that is unacceptable.

And who is laughing at us on Twitter.

The lack of self-awareness is astounding. A person who claims to work with young people laughing at girls and young women losing out in sports? Just a tad inappropriate.

I thought it was just an ugly woman.

That's just so revealing. A certain type of men (sorry if your friend turns out to be in this category) mentally divides women into "fuckable" and "not fuckable". He's only interested in the first class. So if a few more people, of either sex, get lobbed into class 2, he's not bothered. In fact he doesn't even notice.

BettyFilous same here. Was persuaded to leave my glasses behind aged 15 to go out with girls I didn't know that well. Supremely uncomfortable. Could read no cues, pick up no body language, nothing. Never done it again.

Also agree, men seem to be much worse at sexing blokes that present femme. Watched a programme recently, I had my back to screen, asked male friend in room with me "who's that guy?" "What do you mean guy, that's a woman!" Turned round, presenter was a typical middle-aged transitioner who didn't just sound male but looked it. (Although clearly voice-trained to emulate a female vocal range, this is a sound I've come to associate with males who transition after undergoing male puberty.)

I even checked the guy out because my friend wouldn't believe me. Yup, typical late transitioner with wife and kids. So I asked male friend, "how can gou not immediately read that person as male?" "I thought it was just an ugly woman." And that wasn't even someone anywhere near to passing, where I have to rely on the subtler cues.

Bespin laughing on twitter at women's sport being taken over by men just reveals that bespin does not see themselves as a woman at all, and has no empathy, or sisterhood with women - bespin only shows empathy with males who identify as women in their heads.

This is gaslighting on an international scale - two of those athletes are men - they look male and they sound male. Who could deny it? They haven't even bothered to grow their hair. The Olympics over the next decade are going to be a bad joke for women.

I really don’t understand how self belief can be accepted as physical evidence. I like to believe that I am a good runner but physiology thinks otherwise.

Self ID won't be taken advantage of, oh no............

I asked my 4 year old about that photo. Lady, man, man, lady was her verdict.

There is no point explaining this stuff to someone who believes that woman is a feeling.

And who is laughing at us on Twitter.

Not cool Bespin.

The just need to do a lab test at the Olympics, I mean literally have a Labrador sniff every participant, dogs can easily distinguish between men and women. as can women that's meant to be light-hearted btw.

It's actually a little bit hilarious that the IOC has decided to leave the door open for the old male-athlete-posing-as-woman trick after all the bloody effort and money they have put into anti-doping
The irony just slays me. And who thought up the testosterone levels the way they are. Totally bloody unfair despite all the other advantages men have to then make the testosterone 3 times a average womans.

At which point, a saliva test would sort it, cheaply and non-invasively. For everyone. And just call them XX and XY, yes. No need to get involved in daft language that will only start a war of attrition, if they don't want to.

It's actually a little bit hilarious that the IOC has decided to leave the door open for the old male-athlete-posing-as-woman trick after all the bloody effort and money they have put into anti-doping.

I’m just going to stop you there.

I'm reminded of the words of Fanny Cann from whom I have taken my name.

"Stop" said Miss Cann "''tis all summed up in those two words 'He Said'"

It's a book by an Edwardian author,

The Beacon and is much about strong female characters.

But if you believe those to be women when you look at them, you have issues. Compare the bodies, I mean my lord, look at the body fat % difference compared to Fu, the hips difference. So yes, unless you prove otherwise, these very male looking individuals will be assumed to be male.

There is no point explaining this stuff to someone who believes that woman is a feeling.