Athletics: China field a women’s relay team featuring two men

Iq of a gnat

The Fiona Robertson who believes that Yaniv is a woman?

Fiona is a ding dong - either doesn’t get the point (you lot are horrid to say these brave and stunning women look manly) or doesn’t give a chuff (if they say they are women then they are women, you horrid lot).

Either way, 🛎 🔔

twitter.com/FionaSnp/status/1168550430198181888

Bespin

"yep she finished 7th totally dominating woman's sport again."

Parroting typical trans validation propaganda. You take transwomen not dominating as evidence that everything is fair. Heard it over and over.

Have you ever thought what this man would achieve against men (without HRT to be fair)? Take Laurel Hubbarb - as a man never won anything. As a 'woman' suddenly Common Wealth and on the way to break the world record. At an age where most women in the sport are long retired.

Yes this person did not win, but that doesn't mean they didn't have an advantage. Your disingenuity is very telling.

ThePurpoted

That is absolutely vile. Their entire idea of "fairness" is to let a tiny minority of men beat women. What the actual fuck.

"The goal is to create a pathway to include the transgender athlete, not create total equality." -> and with that exclude high school girls from scholarships that will be taken up by transgirls.

Vilain has also written that the rules have been written on the basis of inclusion rather than fairness:

Vilain told me that the NCAA’s rules were also aimed at inclusivity and that the governing body aims to give everyone the chance to compete. Creating rules around transgender participation, he admitted, was extremely challenging. He said that the entire concept of anatomical equality for transgender athletes was simply not feasible, and thus, it was not a stated goal of the NCAA’s rules.

“It is not about making everybody biologically equal, and I think that is a common misconception when we start talking about transgender athletes,” he said. “People want transgender [females] to be physiologically identical to [born] females, and if they’re not, it’s unfair. That is not possible.”

Dr. Vilain referenced the structure of the pelvis and the mass of certain muscle groups as anatomical differences between the male and female body that will always be somewhat different. But achieving total equality is not the point, Dr. Vilain said. The purpose of the NCAA’s rules is to, in a sense, shift the transgender female athlete’s muscle mass and physiology away from that of the average male. The goal is to create a pathway to include the transgender athlete, not create total equality.

“Can you turn a man’s body into a woman’s body? The short answer is ‘no,” Vilain said. “I think we need to move past that idea completely.”

I get the impression that, in the context of sports, he is an intersex advocate who conflates and separates transgender and intersex as it suits him.

That was my impression. Most of his work seems to be about intersex, but he has also ventured into the realms of gender identity and sexual orientation (he has published papers about a biological basis for both of these). The NCAA document where he was quoted earlier is from 2011 and he doesn't seem to have published much about transgender recently. From that quote from 2016, it looks as though he might have done a bit more thinking about where this is going in recent years.

Those athletes are not even bending the rules, never mind breaking them, but that's because the rules are utterly ludicrous. Made by men to suit men and to hell with the other half of the population.

Exactly. The rules say that men can compete in the female category if they have a 'female gender identity' and low testosterone (for a man). They don't have to convince anyone that they are women, or that they think they are women, or look in any way like women.

What is a 'female gender identity'? We are changing sporting categories according to this, and changing laws. Yet nobody seems to be able to define what a 'female gender identity' actually is.

This is so easy to understand, isn't it? It shouldn't need to be said.

Those athletes are not even bending the rules, never mind breaking them, but that's because the rules are utterly ludicrous. Made by men to suit men and to hell with the other half of the population.

The whole thing is just so ridiculous.
Professional athletics and sport is not about how you feel but what your body is capable of.
Separate categories based on sex is purely to create a fair playing field for the competitors. Nothing is going to change the fact that male and female bodies are quite different. This is very obvious in the photo of the Chinese team.

Eric Vilain is a believer in 'gender identity'.

He's a bit inconsistent though, isn't he?

I get the impression that, in the context of sports, he is an intersex advocate who conflates and separates transgender and intersex as it suits him. He said this in 2016:

Vilain, the UCLA geneticist, sees what he calls a "schizophrenic" conflict between the Chand ruling and the IOC guidelines on transgender female—not intersex—athletes, which was rewritten in November to allow an athlete to participate in competition as a female if her testosterone is below 10 nanomoles per liter, same as the old IAAF standard. "The guidelines are very favorable for transgender athletes, and a great advancement," says Vilain. "But the same rule was struck down for intersex athletes. It's illogical."

Where, then, does this lead? Perhaps Olympic sports should establish a third gender category: intersex. A more likely possibility, given societal trends: "You put everybody in the same bag, just compete by gender identity," says Vilain. "Right now the social activists are winning. So you can have Bruce Jenner saying, 'I'm Caitlyn, and I'm competing as a woman.' Nations have a huge investment in sports, and they would do this. And that would be a disaster for women's sports. It would be a sad end to what feminists have wanted for so long."

www.si.com/olympics/2016/08/11/caster-semenya-2016-rio-olympics-track-and-field

Can the Chinese Daily News define ‘woman’ please, because I think they are using the wrong dictionary.

I showed my husband and his response was:

'2 men! No, wait, its 3 men - I wasnt sure about the one on the right till I looked down'

My 7 year old immediately recognised the middle 2 as men.

Some of the Twitter reaction (“omg they are CS women you T*Fs!”) is ridiculous.

This only made the news because Chinese social media (weibo) had a “WTF!” moment about these runners back in July or so and again now.

The questioning and scepticism has mostly been by Chinese people, nothing to do with MERFs.

It doesn’t matter where they came. Not even the Chinese are blatant enough to drop this team with men in and have them win straight away. What will happen is they will run increasingly respectable times over the next 12 months. They might do well at the Doha world championships coming up soon but maybe not beat everyone. They will do well enough to qualify for the Olympic final then they’ll run their best.

Except this one is more like "they are not not non-non-non women

Nah Buzz it’s even easier, they are non men like the rest of us.
(except maybe you cos you have a Schrödinger's prostate).

The chinese statement says they are 'women'.

I am minded of one of those word pun things, like "buffalo buffalo..."
Except this one is more like "they are not not non-non-non women"

I don't even know why I'm surprised. At first I thought 2 men, 2 women. Then I thought 3 men. What a joke. How sad!

The amount of gaslighting going on with this just blows my mind. “Four cis women”. I mean, WTF?

I have shown more than 20 people at work the non-captioned photo and asked them to give me there immediate impression with no background and the answer is either:

“Two men, two women....no wait, three men and one woman” or

“Three men and a woman”

followed by WTF? when I tell them they are all supposed to be women. No one, not a single person, has looked and said “four women”.

A few years ago there was a brilliant segment on The Daily Show where they argued whether Fox News were evil or stupid and there was Team Evil and Team Stupid arguing the case for both. I think it could be applied here.

I agree testing. 1st or 7th, the fact that women's races are no longer female only is the issue.

yep she finished 7th totally dominating woman's sport again

Actually this is a really interesting comment, because implicit is the agreement that it would obviously be unfair if JE had come first.

So you think it's okay men taking women's places provided they struggle to win.

Surely we should be equally happy with any competitor winning.

But you know the race isn't fair with JE included so you are pleased when they don't win.

This should have been a women's race, just for women.

Bespin 'Eastwood’s last race was 15 months ago when she placed seventh in the men’s 1500-meter final at the 2018 Big Sky Conference Championships. While Saturday’s competition'

The runner was 15th in the men's race.

This runner has an opportunity now to improve on that by competing in the women's race.

Great timing indeed.

And pushed all the women from 7th place onwards down one place. And if there were a fixed number of places they excluded a woman athlete from the team.

So yes, pushed women out of their sport.

Interesting timing of transition for this young athlete:

yep she finished 7th totally dominating woman's sport again.