Athletics: China field a women’s relay team featuring two men

THAT is the real transphobia: men casting “feminine” men out of maleness.

And it’s sexism: a male who wishes to “feminize” himself belongs with the “inferior Other.”

The demands of TW themselves are one flank of the fight, but the main front is against these transphobic, sexist, castration-anxiety ridden men in power.

That is absolutely vile. Their entire idea of "fairness" is to let a tiny minority of men beat women. What the actual fuck.

"The goal is to create a pathway to include the transgender athlete, not create total equality." -> and with that exclude high school girls from scholarships that will be taken up by transgirls.

Exactly. That's why this battle is so hard to win.
It's not a simple case of pointing out the unfairness and getting sports governing bodies to realise their error, because they know exactly what they have done. They knew it would be unfair to women and girls, and they know that these athletes are male.
They see women's sports as the inferior category and think that it's perfectly logical to put men who don't want to compete as men in this category as long as they reduce their testosterone to just below the typical male range.
When Eric Vilain says that it's either this - 'female gender identity' + reduced testosterone - or everyone competing together just by gender identity, I read it as a threat to people who want to keep girls and women's sport female-only. The arrogance of these people is staggering.

Bugger.

There are more people speaking out against transwomen in women’s sport.

I enjoy this YouTuber, she’s very opinionated, but rational ( and does great cosplay).

Thanks Oldchrone.

Is that 100% factual?

It's what it says in this document for competing in the Olympics.

stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf

Oldchrone, you said *
Exactly. The rules say that men can compete in the female category if they have a 'female gender identity' and low testosterone (for a man). They don't have to convince anyone that they are women, or that they think they are women, or look in any way like women.*

Is that 100% factual? I want to use this in a discussion I'm having but wanted to check that this is actually factual.

"I’d say it’s more (also?) a paucity of argument - it’s a feature not a bug of the TRA position."

Don't fully understand, you mean basically TRAs do not actually have thought-out, logical arguments? In this case they make an observation (didn't win...) and take that also as the argument (...ergo couldn't have an advantage), without thinking about it?

I think men have more muscly legs above the knees.

I am conflicted between being raging about this and being pleased that the natural consequences of this ridiculous policy is becoming visible.

I wonder how many potentially amazing female athletes China lost as a consequence of their One Child Policy and how that played out in practice.

Maybe they no longer have enough of a pool of women to select talent from.

Just because men have 30 to 40 times the amount of circulating testosterone that women have doesn't mean that it's not a perfectly fair race.

thought

knew

Yip, I shared this with Chinese friends who have kids seriously into sports at national level - they thought they were men.

Your disingenuity is very telling.

I’d say it’s more (also?) a paucity of argument - it’s a feature not a bug of the TRA position.

I'd say both are, pretty much equally.

It’s racist in the sense that all those idiots who think there are “four cis women” in those photos are assuming the Chinese people who raised concerns on Chinese social media about the sex of other Chinese people aren’t capable of accurately sexing their own race.

I can’t see the racism here. Chinese men and women have never been accused of looking excessively masculine in the way that black men and women have. It would only be racist if their race made them more likely to have masculine features but it’s the opposite in fact.

Your disingenuity is very telling.

I’d say it’s more (also?) a paucity of argument - it’s a feature not a bug of the TRA position.

In a twisted way i sort of admire her. She's sticking to her opinions in public despite the fact they require her to believe seven impossible things before breakfast. And of course there are elements of truth that she's using; female athletes are policed for their appearance; of course racism exists and will sometimes appear in this issue. But how on earth can this not cause her to think again? It seems like a wilful naivety, or a sunken cost fallacy so huge that it's enveloped her (see also the maven of mayhem or whatever her name is).

The racism angle is also interesting because when I first saw the headline I thought that it might be hard to tell as Chinese men can look very feminine from my viewpoint. So I was expecting to be thinking I wasn't sure. But I saw and heard two men without doubt.

It's what happens when you decide to believe the first lie. That men can become women by declaring it so.

Then you have to believe all the other lies; the trans cult demand it of you. And then you lash out at those pointing out how utterly absurd it all is.

Wasn't she the dimwit who said that because Yaniv is a woman, it demonstrates that female predators use their womanly ways to abuse girls and women?

Or some such idiocy.

The SNP is not short of thickos. See also: Mhairi Black.

Fortunately they also have Joan McAlpine and Joanna Cherry who are women of intelligence. Otherwise they'd be unelectable.

"Christ she's an idiot. Does she not know this went viral in China first? Or does she think the Chinese are racist against themselves?"

She doesn't actually believe this is racism. But it is just another thing to accuse the other side of.

Fiona demonstrates perfectly why genderism is not compatible with women's rights and safety. We're no longer allowed to challenge men in women's spaces, because they might be women in their head or otherwise.

Bit of arse handing going on in that Twitter thread, I'd say

Christ she's an idiot. Does she not know this went viral in China first? Or does she think the Chinese are racist against themselves?