Athletics: China field a women’s relay team featuring two men

Trans stuff aside, questions have to be asked when three out of four women in a sports team look like men. Remember the 1980s and what steroids did to athletes.

The Women's Tennis Association rules state that biological males are welcome to apply to them two years after a gonadectomy.

I can't see that in the current rules dated December 2018.

www.wtatennis.com/sites/default/files/basic_page_files/wta_gender_participation_policy_v.3_-_website_version.pdf

This is a joke, surely? Is this definitely genuine?

Maybe when the first brave and stunning who are currently making easy wins and getting medals start loosing to the new brave and stunning there’ll be a reckoning.

I think the first wave BS will start asking questions like what is a real transwoman, who’s more a real transwoman? I was here first and I’m the one true transwoman, in fact I’m so trans I’m cis.
Like they already do on twitter.

Won’t help actual women, but we’ll still have the sandwich making duties, so there is that.

No, I’ll watch it. Just don’t want to leap without looking on this one. It plays right into supporters of TW in women’s sports hands.

Just found and watched the video!!!

If China can field men we can field horses.

Biology is only a construct anyway.

Did you watch the video, toorah?

That might help you decide.

Yes, endofthelinefinally - and the voice in the video clip.

but if you are a man and not even trying to look female then you surely are not trans.

They don't have to hide their maleness because you can compete as a woman without genital surgery according to the IOC rules. The bulge is a female penis as far as IOC is concerned, as long as they meet the regs on T levels. If you can turn up in a women's event with your bulge showing, why bother with the rest of it?

There are definitely 3 men in that picture. You can tell by the knees, pelvic bones, jaws as well as the obvious outline of genitalia.

Yes. We are all bloody experts at being able to identify males and females. It really isn't hard.

I care deeply about women's sport. Purpleartichoke put it succinctly:

women succeeding at sport helps every woman. Sport gives women a venue to fight for equal rights and equal pay that is very visible. Every female athlete who dazzles the crowds with her strength and dedication, means men who will take all of us more seriously. These men aren’t just taking away women’s sport. They are taking away everything that women’s sport can do for society.

I don't even think 'Well, at least if there are men in women's events at the Olympics it will peak-trans the world' any more. Because the extent of institutional/orgaisational capture that's happened here is astonishing.

Is it absolutely sure these are male?

Thing is, it is very easy to take a stand if a sports organisation wants to.

The Women's Tennis Association rules state that biological males are welcome to apply to them two years after a gonadectomy.

So far, they have not been troubled.

The WTA is the organisation that has achieved prize money parity for women, and therefore as an organisation presumably feels that they have something to protect.

The majority of other sports authorities are male-dominated and have had decades of investing tiny fractions in the women's game compared to the men's game. They are very happy to chuck women under the bus. In the name of equality. Because that's what they've always done.

Like the England and Wales Cricket Board who know what a woman is when it comes to their gender pay gap. They know exactly who to pay a pittance to.

But then suddenly don't actually know what a woman is when it comes to the elite women's game.

It is very easily (and relatively non-invasively) fixed. Cheek swab (less invasive, I would argue, than the urine samples under supervision which elite athletes have to routinely provide for drugs testing). Is there a Y chromosome? Yes? Back to men's sport. Let men's sport become more accepting of gender non-conforming athletes.

Identify as a transman but demonstrably XX? Fine - women's sport will welcome you, so long as you lay off the testosterone. Just as any other woman is expected to lay off the testosterone.

The difference between the US/New Zealand/Canada/UK is that google can usually confirm any doubts. There was always the worry that athletes would be groomed for this specific reason and certain countries could do this better than others. It’s happened before so it will happen again. Unfortunately it will also lead to a few women being wrongly accused. Women’s sport will be a case of “I cannot confirm of deny” if all the women are biological.

...... and yes, I know that women come in all shapes and sizes and we all look different, and how is a woman supposed to look anyway? but if you are a man and not even trying to look female then you surely are not trans.

I would love to run in the Olympics. I am too fat, too unfit and too old to compete. But what if you take identity politics to the very limit and I DO identify as an Olympic runner and somehow get onto the track. Well, I am going to wear the gear, not a grease stained Primark tracksuit and high heels!!!! Otherwise, exactly HOW am I identifying as an Olympic runner!?

Farewell, women’s sports. I really enjoyed you, but we can’t have nice things any more.

Yup.

I will remember 2019. Attended a women's rugby match which set an all-time record for crowd size in which all 30 players on the field had XX chromosomes. Saw the Scottish women's team (11 XX chromosome holders on the pitch) win a match 8-0. Watched XX women win Wimbledon and the London marathon. Caught the tail end of women's cricket where (at international level at any rate) it was still all XX women.

2019 - the last year of women's sport. RIP.

(Still, even if the Americans do only show the highlights, at least they'll have an 800/1500m runner in the women's race whose PB aged 15 in both was better than Kelly Holmes... Bet they show that on TV, with much flag waving.)

Maybe seeing it with our own eyes will really clarify it.

I talk about this a lot. My pals often roll their eyes "don't get rabbitwoman started!!" And either tell me the story of how their lovely neighbour transitioned and his wife is now a lesbian, or shrug it off because they've never seen the negative consequences of the TRA agenda

It's not something we see every day. Just every now and again. But in the Olympics if we see man after man after man with medals in women's races, men who aren't even trying to look female or sound female, if some of our most high profile female sports hero's lose again and again, maybe that will be the wake up call for the world?

When I pointed out to a very woke bloke friend of mine that a bloke with a beard and lumberjack shirt calling himself Manly Dave could still self id as female his reply was something like 'for god's sake, people can express their gender however they like, it's noone else's business'

If they're using their choice of 'gender' to compete in women's sport it is other people's business. Especially the women who have to compete against them.

Lots of ‘well, what about US, NZ, Oz? They started it.’ on that thread shows that many are - deliberately? - missing the point and assuming this is anti-Chinese sentiment rather than anti-men-in-women's-sport sentiment.

I’m very much resigned to hearing about a lot of men podiuming in women’s events at the Olympics next year. I say hearing about rather than seeing because I’m in the USA and the time zone difference means many events won’t be aired here live, broadcasts will be held back to peak viewing in the various time zones here.

Highly, highly recommend watching the video to clear up any lingering doubts anyone might have. Liao speaks in it, in an entirely normal male voice.

You don’t even have to grow your hair or paint your nails any more. You can just show up entirely en homme, and if anyone dares question you, you can sic the witchfinder pursuivant on them. Fucking genius.

Farewell, women’s sports. I really enjoyed you, but we can’t have nice things any more.

But ....... but .......

Two of them aren't even trying to look female. When I pointed out to a very woke bloke friend of mine that a bloke with a beard and lumberjack shirt calling himself Manly Dave could still self id as female his reply was something like 'for god's sake, people can express their gender however they like, it's noone else's business'

But then, what are they doing, how are they trying to even qualify as trans if they don't even look female. At least the one on the end is trying!!

Thanks ThePurported, I missed that. Chinese authorities did indeed deny that they had DSDs.

From your link the photos show clearly that three of the four have Adam's apples and wear different shorts. The female-bodied runner is wearing high-legs, the other three what look like a bikini or boy-shorts style with navy blue pants underneath. (Which in itself proves nothing. Choice of running gear comes down to personal preference after all.)