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Feedback on loos to architects and property developers?

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kenandbarbie · 31/08/2019 10:21

In office buildings.

Discussion was in a meeting with the property developers, architects and office agents about what to provide in a large newly built office building. Mostly men (including my dh who is an office agent). They are all feeling under pressure (by possible future tenants wanting to be pc) to provide gender neutral loos and don't know what to include.

The architects suggestions were:
A row of individual full door height cubicles with basins called superloos, some labelled male, some female, some non gender. No lobby, just off the common circulation areas such as central lift core.

Problem the people at the meeting saw: takes up way more space than normal male and female toilets. Space taken up with toilets can't be rented out. Expensive.

I pointed out to DH that you would also need tampon machines and sanitary disposal boxes in each cubicle as well as a basin. So they'd be even bigger.

Dh boss suggested male and female as normal, be brave and say no to non gender toilets.

Other alternative they discussed, male block, female block and a gender neutral block or toilet cubicle. But then they think they'll have the problem of transgender people not wanting to use transgender toilets and also complaining if they only have one cubicle. I pointed out there is usually only one disabled cubicle so they would have the same provision as a disabled user (without any biological need).

Any feedback I could give to dh? I think it would be helpful to provide a bit of women's input to decision makers.

N.b. I know I'm saying gender not sex, that's because I'm describing their discussion.

OP posts:
Beamur · 31/08/2019 10:33

Suggest rather than allow then Grin

kenandbarbie · 31/08/2019 10:28

Well he doesn't really get to allow anything!!

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kenandbarbie · 31/08/2019 10:27

Oh yeah I also forgot dh pointed out that as men stand up to wee and get wee on seats and how clean male toilets end up generally (as in not very) that would be a problem for women sharing their cubicles.

(Quite impressed he pointed that out!)

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Beamur · 31/08/2019 10:26

I'd ask your DH not to allow a situation to be designed in where women are less safe just because it's cheaper to provide.

Beamur · 31/08/2019 10:25

I think the single contained cubicle is the best gender neutral solution. But it does take up more space.

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