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"Assigned female at birth" - gender neutral baby announcements

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BlingLoving · 30/08/2019 15:52

Someone on my facebook announced birth of her and her partner's new baby (they are both women. Although I'm not sure if they identify as women or something else). Gender neutral names. In the comments, in response to a comment, she has said "[babyname] was assigned female at birth" and I just want to scream.

I'm not hugely active on these issues but I do think that saying girls have vaginas and boys have penises is a pretty uncontroversial statement personally. And it makes me sad. I love that she'll try to bring up her child to not confirm to gender stereotypes, I just don't understand why to do that the child can't be called "her/she" or be accepted as a GIRL.

Sorry. Rant over. I know a lot of you will get it.

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Fraggling · 30/08/2019 22:43

But the hospital doesn't 'decide'

Human beings have known the sex of their babies since forever!

Your sex is a neutral fact, for all but a handful of intersex people it is straightforward.

Gender is what, exactly? Sex stereotypes? A feeling in your head? Seems totally unreasonable to put that on a baby.

How are we going backwards so fast?

HeadintheiClouds · 30/08/2019 22:40

They sound like a pair of tedious farts, tbh.

BlingLoving · 30/08/2019 22:34

To clarify, my sense is that the parents are trying to be gender neutral and that when they say "assigned female at birth" they mean that's what the hospital has decided.

As far as I am concerned, this means the baby is a girl. But I am 90% certain that future Facebook posts will refer to her as "they" so that the baby can decide later if "they" are male or female.

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Lougle · 30/08/2019 21:29

When I gave birth the first time, DH and the midwives thought that I should be the one to 'discover' the sex. I, however, didn't realise that a girl's labia is really swollen at birth, due to hormones. That, along with a healthy amount of gas and air, saw me announcing "It's a boy!!!" to stunned and awkward silence. DH coughed, which prompted me to look again..."It's a girl!!!" Everyone started congratulating me Grin

HeadintheiClouds · 30/08/2019 20:40

Have they given it an obviously girls name, op? Is it an actual girl, or have they decided to “assign” a female gender to a male baby?
It’s a sign of this whole bloody madness that I’m not actually sure whether this child who has been assigned female is a boy or a girl 🤔
In the old fashioned sense, of course.

Forgotthebins · 30/08/2019 20:32

Poor them, dealing with a newborn is overwhelming enough without carrying the weight of wokeness on one's post-natal shoulders. Agree with the advice to leave them be with their baby and their cognitive dissonance, really, but I would be fascinated to know if they regard themselves as having done the "assigning" themselves and if not, who?

BigFatLiar · 30/08/2019 20:17

Wouldn't you be super surprised though if it was a boy and they'd decided to raise it as a girl to avoid all the hassle of deciding later he was trans. Now he can be a trendy MtF trans without the hormones and surgery.

HeadintheiClouds · 30/08/2019 20:11

“It’s a girl!” Or “It’s a boy!” is even better.

Lougle · 30/08/2019 20:02

Babies don't 'look' female or male at birth. They just look like squishy little frogs. Having said that, 'if you hear hooves, don't look for zebras' - if there is no evidence to the contrary, a vagina = girl and penis = boy. Intersex conditions are rare.

I think 'assigned female at birth' is better than 'we're bringing our child up gender neutral so none of you are being told what's between their legs...'

thirdfiddle · 30/08/2019 19:40

Maybe they tossed a coin?

BarbaraStrozzi · 30/08/2019 19:34

Much as I try to avoid pink clothing for my friends' baby girls, if I were in your circumstances I'd be inclined to pick the most vibrant pink, frilliest monstrosity I could find, and give it to them saying "well, you were so insistent you'd assigned your child a gender..."

AlwaysComingHome · 30/08/2019 19:31

Maybe they assigned the child female for selfish reasons, eg there’s a better chance she’ll care for them in their old age.

Lemonyfuckit · 30/08/2019 19:07

What Pope and several others have said. How very regressive of them to even mention gender at all, seeing as that is a societal construct, and gender stereotypes are harmful to both women and men. Far more progressive to simply state her biological sex.

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 30/08/2019 18:59

"Oh wow! How did you decide who got to assign the gender? Did one of you choose the name and the other choose the gender? Such a big decision!!"

[another comment two minutes later]

"🤦‍♀️ I just realised you obviously didn't really mean 'assigned' ... I actually believed for a second that people were really assigning/choosing a set of gender stereotypes for their kids at birth these days, how ridiculously regressive and sexist would that be?!! 😂

I'm not in on the 'assigned' joke (hard to tell truth from satire these days!) but since you said 'female' you must mean that you had a baby girl! Congratulations on your daughter!"

MrGHardy · 30/08/2019 18:31

That term is such crap.

FannyCann · 30/08/2019 18:26

They’re probably champing at the bit to answer questions and “educate” everyone. Ignore the buggers; it’ll drive them mad.

Very wise advice.

MockersthefeMANist · 30/08/2019 18:16

Coming Soon to a picture palace near you:

Vincent Price IS

The Gender Assigner General

HeadintheiClouds · 30/08/2019 17:44

They’re probably champing at the bit to answer questions and “educate” everyone. Ignore the buggers; it’ll drive them mad.

Propertyofhood · 30/08/2019 17:43

Yes, you could fairly 'innocently' ask why it had been assigned female rather than male...

littlecabbage · 30/08/2019 17:38

There's no way a modern couple didn't find out the sex from a scan well before birth

I have never asked to know the sex of my kids from an antenatal scan, and my youngest is only just a year old.

Agree with this OP though.

Fraggling · 30/08/2019 17:37

I agree with asking why they decided to assign female rather than male

Also out of interest what sex is it

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 30/08/2019 17:36

I’d be sorely tempted to post “don’t you mean *observed as female?” Grin

Propertyofhood · 30/08/2019 17:36

What a load of wank.

So someone in the comments asked if it was a boy or a girl and the reply was that the baby had been 'assigned female at birth'.

Assigned female by whom? And on what basis?

Honestly....

FannyCann · 30/08/2019 17:35

Well there's a little corner of London that had an explosion of Chinese births in the late 80's, because when the hospital where I worked first went over to filling in birth notifications to the Registrar by computer I spent six months putting C for Caucasian in the race box before I discovered C stood for Chinese.
So I suppose you could say they were assigned Chinese.
I've often wondered it that is recorded on those baby's records somewhere. Grin

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 30/08/2019 17:32

They will look back one day and cringe.

They really won't once you have signed up for this, that is it, you have to give 100% into believing it, you can't for one second think that you've ever misjudged anything.

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