Five men know what a woman is

This gives a very male view and clearly grateful to their surrogate and have a good relationship but still the unease remains for me

www.twodaddies.co.uk/post/here-comes-the-son

@ArnoldWhatshisknickers oh I missed all the excitement then?! 🤷‍♀️

I hand-on-heart think we should ban it outright

Yes, I can't even defend altruistic surrogacy anymore, it isn't fair on the child.

As for your Juno post, JazzyGG, mumsnet took it down to 'avoid deletions that's make the thread look like Swiss cheese' apparently.

Does anyone know what happened to my Juno post it's been taken down??

Yeah that’s the only way I think. I think there’s a reason why it’s banned in most progressive democracies in Europe. Obviously the UK wants to move to be more like that bastion of human rights, the US, where some vain plastic woman can’t be arsed to lose pregnancy weight but wants to double the number of kids she already has for no good reason whatsoever, so hires someone else to do the dirty work for her.

There is no universal right to be a parent. It’s sad for those who are infertile but there are options like adoption and even intercountry adoption is way better than surrogacy. We need to stop fetishising parenthood. Having a child is not essential to having a meaningful life and a child is a person, not a lifestyle accessory. We also live on an overpopulated planet with a large number of already existing children who cannot find homes. Paying for the ‘perfect baby’ is just immoral. I have no words for those evil fucks in the video who abandoned their brain-damaged daughter in the Ukraine and have consigned her to a life of misery in a state-system that doesn’t give a shit about her. If they had even half a heart they would have taken her to the US and at least paid for treatment even if they weren’t able to look after her.

I used to be on the fence about surrogacy but I have opened my eyes to what it actually is.

I hand-on-heart think we should ban it outright. No one has the right to use someone else's body to try for a child.

FannyCann thanks for posting that video. I was in floods of tears. That poor poor little girl. I can’t believe that they want to bring that over here. Of course many parents aren’t going to want a damaged baby so no doubt that will fall to an already stretched social services. And nobody’s going to want to adopt the kids in care when you could get a brand new shiny baby for about ten grand and not even have to travel abroad for it. I used to be on the fence about surrogacy but I have opened my eyes to what it actually is.

So something that can exclusively be performed by women is best placed to be investigated and reported on by an all male group? They couldn’t find one woman to at least pretend there was balance? Impressive.

That is because to most people gender and sex are synonymous. Most people aren't aware of how the left has split them. And why would you, after all the way gender is being used is complete, subjective, ideological nonsense.

Thanks that is an interesting line. The Law Commission seems to often use ‘gender’ (when they absolutely do mean biological sex) in a really ludicrous way.

A surrogate. What about a mother? Can that role be only played by a woman?

But what about a self identifying woman?
Can’t they identify into being a surrogate?

Can’t deny their validity surely

This is an excellent catch.

Everyone knows what a woman is.

I saw the trailer for the Seahorse film yesterday, the language in it is mind-boggling. The mental gymnastics the woman who gives birth goes through to pretend they aren't actually a woman giving birth is just painful. I can't believe we're all expected to go along with this delusion.