Rich men / beautiful women

This is an interesting thread - I have never asked for some kind of reward for sex but I have sort of used it as an incentive to get what I want. That sounds bad but sometimes men are easily persuaded by the offer of some sexual favors for certain opportunities that women would not get without using some leverage.

Just to add this was years ago when I was young free and single.

"What she is saying is that as long as there are some women who are happy to create a sort of sexual blackmarket in the film industry, or in other settings, that will mean that sex is a currency and there will be pressure for all women in that industry to participate in it."

Look at you directly blaming women for creating a "sexual blackmarket", directly blaming women for the abuses men commit against women, blaming competition between women for men-held resources in order to remove some percentage of blame from Harvey Weinstein.

Do you think all prostitution exists because women created it and want it despite millions of trafficking victims, or is your contempt for prostituted women only reserved for the kinder and gentler whoring of the Pretty White Woman(tm) who is the central figurehead of incel rage?

Joyfullittlehippo thank you for expanding on that. And I equally detest the constant objectification/sexualisatiin of women which is still so commonplace. However, I’d argue that while patriarchy may have created the situation, it is now simply the capitalist system which drives it forward. The female multimillionaires in the fashion, music and beauty industry (there are many others which benefit from the objectification of women, but just for example) are every bit as invested in the defence of the status quo as their male counterparts.

Sorry not op penelopepitstop1234

Thanks for sharing that op. It is worrying and it needs to change. Can I ask if it's just the women who are expected to be like this? Is there a casting couch for male actors too?

@peneloppitstop1234 fair point

Sorry about that!

Women can take a trade profession, just as a man can become a nurse or a primary school tteacher

I would consider these academic jobs and still in need of university education.

I believe we were talking about people who don't have wealth or education. If you have the means to become a teacher you probably don't feel your only commodity is your body.

Also my family are trademen, it would take a specific type of woman to feel able to enter that world and get on it in.

What’s your experience joyfullittlehippo? Or have you written about it elsewhere?

better “paid”, even...

I’d argue that there aren’t femalecoded jobs or malecoded jobs, there are simply jobs. But if you want to go down that route, then plenty of typical male jobs also suck big time. If they are better laid it’s because they are either a) require longer training/higher qualifications b) more dangerous c) longer/antisocial hours.

This thread is explicitly about Harvey Weinstein and the entertainment industry, not Starbucks and Tesco.

Not entirely. Weinstein is mentioned, but also beautiful younger women marrying older wealthy men.

Wealth is relative. The power imbalance can exist at much lower wealth levels so it could be the Tesco manager marrying the attractive woman on the checkout who is half his age. Or my old maths teacher marrying a shop assistant half his age for that matter.

In fairness to my old maths teacher, which I really don't like to be as I hated him, he met his wife at church and their relationship seems to have been based on mutual interest. They're still married, happily from outward appearance, 30 years on.

Only read the first post but your daughter is at least a bit right.
Good on her

I didn’t say it’s okay for women to marry for money, I said that both men and women from underprivileged backgrounds often end up taking undesirable actions to survive. So in a way it is very much related, because they have the same cause (poverty, lack of family/societal support) - solve the issues of underprivileged girls and you’ll likely solve many of the issues of underprivileged boys too.

Women can take a trade profession, just as a man can become a nurse or a primary school teacher (I personally know a couple of both). Of course, people stepping outside the norm will always meet the odd bit of prejudice along the way, but sadly that’s human nature and is the price of change, though of course government initiatives can and should help with men and women taking more careers outside the typically predetermined gender boxes. In fact, IMO, nowhere is this more needed than in getting more men into early years education.

@Cam77

It's not underprivileged top trumps. So it's ok for a poor girl to marry for money because at least she's not dealing drugs. These are two different and unrelated issues.

@penelopepitstop1234
The lowest performing group in schools is white working class boys, not girls. Rather fall back on physical attractiveness to try to find a decent husband (who can earn) than have to fall back on drugs and crime (which is what increasingly many under educated white working class boys see as their only “get out”).

I’d have thought the fact that the Weinstein case was one of the biggest scandals of any nature over the last decade, consuming millions of column inches, would suggest that virtual nobody thinks it’s fine, rather than it being seen as perfectly acceptable (as you seem to be implying is the case)

@joyfullittlehippo

I 100% agree with you.

I think people find it hard to understand that for some girls/woman ,getting a degree and a good job feels so out of their reach they genuinely feel their only chance of success is through their sexuality.

Let's also not forget that not everyone is academic. For a man that means taking a trade which can still lead to success. How many nail technicians earn the same as electricians? Many many women are still very much bound by gender and it's limitations.