In support of Amy Dyess

I'm still pondering how our view are cultish when , up until a few years ago when the gender identity nonsense started, they were and still are the norm.

Weren’t two of the authors of those three articles the ones bullying Louise Moody just before her wife died? So not exactly going to believe a word they say about anything.

some might say running an operation of that nature is in the territory of human trafficking &/or terrorism. shipping humans into the UK, illegally seeking residence for them, & to then commodify them as political pawns, in order to grow your campaign of extremism & radicalisation

TRAs sure like hyperbole.

twitter.com/AdrianHarrop/status/1261989048433946629?s=19

Bloody hell.

twitter.com/CChinneide/status/1261984510570303488?s=19

Absolutely. It's never enough

Like night follows day...

Nothing but complete capitulation and even then it won't be good enough.

Oh look who's chimed in!

""Looking back on her time in the “gender critical” feminist movement, she is unequivocal: it’s a cult."

Must read article by @vicparsons_ about a courageous woman who left the anti-trans cult t.co/cBCZtDjEpv "

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1262055135523422214?s=19

Quite a few demanding a grovelling apology

I'm sure. Best jump to it, Amy!

They're really hung up on the idea that we have leaders. It's just not true - we have prominent voices, people who are more well known and influential than others but that's really not the same thing.

The fact that some of us disagree with others from time to time is entirely normal.

twitter.com/CChinneide/status/1262039958946295808?s=19

I don’t think she’s a reformed character. She’s speaking out about the harm the terf cult caused her, which is bad, but she hasn’t yet taken responsibility for all the harm she caused trans people or apologised for it. I’m suspicious her decision to speak out is self serving.

Quite a few demanding a grovelling apology.

Oh, Amy...

A couple of other recent articles on the 'cult' allegation.

Deviant Lesbian

medium.com/@deviantlesbian/play-nicely-cbbab85408c7

I have never regretted slamming the door on gender critical feminism. It is a gateway to radicalisation; around the time I was leaving I called it a cult (they didn’t like that very much). It is a cult, and much like anyone who leaves a cult — you realise that the only way to escape it is to cut all ties entirely.

Rhys MacKavanagh

rhysmckavblog.wordpress.com/2020/05/14/and-he-stoppeth-one-of-three/

I think you [Katy Montgomerie] instead chose to put that aside to see me as a person escaping a very toxic cult-like environment. Your suggestion that this online GC movement was a lot like a cult was confirmation of a question I had been asking myself privately for a very long time.

A tweet from Katy Montgomerie :
twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1243206795822276609

Well done. It's hard to get out of cults and important to offer people a lifeline. I have done a lot of research into the BITE model and cults. Being LGBT is not one, being GC is

As ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings posted upthread, the BITE model is here: freedomofmind.com/bite-model/

Behavioural control includes deprivation of food and sleep, financial control, requiring you to seek permission for big decisions etc. Information control means withholding information, extensive use of propaganda, gaslighting, reporting on others for misconduct etc. Thought control involves changing your identity, possibly even your name; teaching thought-stopping techniques; rejecting critical thinking; using loaded language to stop critical thought; instilling good versus evil thinking. Emotional control is defined as instilling irrational fears, love-bombing, teaching guilt for wrongthink, threatening friends and family, shunning unbelievers, teaching that some emotions/reactions are evil etc.

'Behavioural control' is less relevant here because it implies the person is physically under the control of the cult. But the other categories? I know which of GC feminism and transactivism would emerge as more cult-like.

"I've noticed a lot of intense propaganda calling GC feminism a cult, just over the last few days."
That's very interesting. Every time the TRAs move to a new tactic, it's because the last tactic is no longer working. They must be about out of tactics by now.

Amy is clearly in the grip of a paranoid delusion as is perfectly clear in that article. Prick News should be ashamed of themselves. Then again, it does really highlight how laughable it is that they can call themselves journalists.

freedomofmind.com/bite-model/

The BITE model of cult behaviours, in case anyone wants to compare and contrast GC vs TRA...

I think it's just projection

Indeed.

How is a 'cult' people trying to get our government, service providers, retailers, schools, police and charities to uphold laws which already exist? How is a 'cult', teenage girls pointing out the illegality of advice being given to schools? How is a 'cult' a group of lawyers and ex-cops successfully taking the police to court for over reach?

They can call it what they like. It doesn't stop the reality from happening.

Well I've never heard GC feminists invite vulnerable young people to join their 'glitter family', or hide what they're doing from their parents by using a special button on a web page.

That was... Quite a read. So, this is Amy who wrote that entire research project into lesbians being sexually harrassed and assaulted by trans women? What, she thinks TWAW now? She thinks her own research project was right wing properganda? She made it up to be popular with GC Feminists? Or do I have the wrong person? All seems to be very confusing.

Anyway, at the end of the day even if everything she says is true, that the GC movement is just top to bottom packed with lying, abusive, controlling, love bombing, homophobic, alt right psychopaths... Humans still can't change sex. If all she says is true then that's terrible and she's right to have nothing more to do with it all... But humans still can't change sex. Even if every single atheist is a scum bag, that still doesn't prove that a god exists. So I'm not really sure what the point of the article was apart from broadcasting one person's unsubstantiated subjective opinion. But then that's about as good as Penis News journalism ever gets really, isn't it.

I think it's just projection. They do this a lot. Regardless though there's only one cult encouraging minors and young people to remove healthy body parts and take dangerous medication and it's not British rad fems.

Wondering if the 'cult' thing came from her or whether it was suggested to her. This is the third or fourth article I've seen in just the last few days claiming GC feminism is a cult. On the surface it looks like a reaction to feminists who've long referred to the 'trans cult'. But feminists did that because transactivism is irrational (you are what you believe you are, there are 100 genders) and because it's very dogmatic, persecuting non-believers and apostates (detransitioners). The same can't be said about GC feminism, which is based on biological reality and which never tries to get people thrown out of their jobs for wrongthink. So the TRAs making up a narrative about grooming, love-bombing, and hiding more obscure parts of GC belief until people are initiated - which makes it sound like scientology. (I'd like to know what these obscure beliefs are. Obviously I'm not in deep enough.)

You get that with any type of movement or cause. Some people seek to be a part of something for reasons other than just what the cause is about.

Usually because they are looking for personal affirmation, somewhere to belong and any number of other reasons that have little to do with the activism itself.

Inevitably the community falls short of what they hoped to derive from it and a fallout ensues. Many will just move on to the next cause and repeat the same patterns.

None of the above has anything to do with the actual value of the activism at all.

From what I've seen on twitter over the last few years I would categorise Amy as someone with a number of vulnerabilities who is susceptible to love bombing. Her current love affair with TRA's won't necessarily last either. this is my impression too plus she consistently posts in a remarkably angry/manipulative fashion (even for twitter )

I’ve seen a lot of ‘former gc’ members calling the movement a cult, and many other fun names. Apparently the gc movement is brainwashing innocent people and using them to progress their ‘Vile hate campaign’. 🙄🙄🙄. Even people I thought were fairly sensible have bought into this.

'Struggling movement'

HaHaHa

British women rock and we've made huge strides in the last couple of years. Hence all the legal challenges and withdrawal of dodgy guidance that's been going on.

Amy was planning a move to the UK last year because she was having some sort of long distance romance with a woman here. A number of women on Twitter gave her advice about good places to live etc...

It went wrong (for whatever reason) and she was quite bitter about it. I'm sure that hasn't fed the animosity towards British women at all.