TRA publicly gloats about terminally ill young woman’s diagnosis and impending death

@GirlDownUnder you wouldn’t see the relevance I don’t use kiwifarms no because they harass people until people take their own lives and then gloat about it and I see mumsnet users on there but I’m not one of them

kiwifarms have been doing this for years

Have they? Are you on kiwifarms a lot then?

Also not sure how this is relevant to this thread.

Gloating about anyone’s demise or illness is wrong, kiwifarms have been doing this for years and nobody bats an eyelid

Fuck me, the fact that it was Harrop who waded in to call out McKinnon says it all really!

That sound you can hear is Haddock desperately backpedalling and trying to appease his superiors. He's well in the shit and he will climb on anyone he can to get out of it.

Just seen all this.

Fuck me, the fact that it was Harrop who waded in to call out McKinnon says it all really!

McKinnon really is just a nasty piece of work.

I never voted for Thatcher but the gloating by certain factions on the left about her death and the vilification of anyone who objected to it was odious.

Bit off topic but Thatcher did focus attention on the apparently novel (to some) concept that men have a responsibility to support their children financially. I recall very right on lefty friends being absolutely outraged that a friend of theirs could not afford to have a baby with wife number 2 as the CSA was making him pay support to the children he already had with wife number 1. I was supposed to share their outrage. The lefty male half of this couple then asked me did I think it was fair a man has to support a child conceived on a one night stand or to a prostitute?

Spot. On.

Thanks @Jux

I just want to add something about the TRA modus operandi: It's important to them to attack feminists and to ensure that that there is no coherent progressive opposition to their political goals. That's why they focus on people like Magdalen, Meghan Murphy, Julie Bindel, Cathy Brennan etc.: they know that right wing people won't accept their bat-shittery anyway, so there's no point trying to influence them.

But the left will accept anything, because by definition, we're more open minded and tolerant than the right (as a movement, not as individuals, necessarily). The left very nearly accepted paedophilia as a progressive demand -honestly, any loon, pervert or political stray, however reactionary, can latch on to the left and be given at least a fair hearing before factions thereof will reject whatever the latest idiotic fashion might be, so long as they dress it up in progressive language. Whereas the right tend to be quite focused about their agenda and ideology in a way the left just aren't.

So you can get any stupid, insane, crazy or regressive idea you like and as long as you can somehow disguise it as progressive, you can coat-tail at least some factions of the left. If a very important faction of the left (radical feminism) is speaking out loudly and articulately, it's difficult for the rest of the left (however misogynist) to ignore them and so it's absolutely crucial to silence them if you want to coat tail effectively.

Hence the total lack of interest in attacking powerful right wing men and the disproportionate focus on relatively powerless women.

Fabulous post @ScreamingBeans.

My parents were true blue Tories. They were born before WW2 - decades before - so they really did see the difference a welfare state made. They were so prod to be part of a society who cared for all its population. Mum had qualified privately before '48, but started working for the NHS as soon as she could after, as did many of her medic friends.

My parents were appalled at what Thatcher did. Mum was very aware of the many problems - corruption included - facing the NHS but solving them the way MrsT did was shameful.

Anything it seems RM disagrees with yes, very aggressive! Some of the responses I’ve seen to people who agree with RM / allies is

Just has to be right and have the last word always.

As for celebrating a death - I might think the world is safer or saner place with out for eg Osama bin Laden, but I would not celebrate his death.
I wouldn’t mourn it at all either, and I’d be grateful the world was lighter. But then he was a mass murder, not someone who hurt my fee fees on the internet ❄️

The animosity from TRAs towards Magdalen is very telling. She is not a politician. She has never been in a position of power.

She simply does not share their beliefs on gender. And for that alone, they think celebrating her impending death is justified.

I have not had the privilege of meeting Magdalen, but I learned so much from her common sense and courage, and am in awe of her.

That Wikki page is so so correct. Anything it seems RM disagrees with he starts shouting about terfs, transphobia and other garbage.

There's some truth in that Eli and that's down to the tribal hatred of Thatcher that was accepted throughout the left. That hatred was partly due to plain old misogyny (none of the male tory PM's since Winston Churchill were hated so viscerally as Thatcher) and partly due to the fact that Thatcher wasn't just a common or garden Tory PM, she was a PM who re-introduced the cruelty of neo-liberalism back into Britain, when we'd thought we'd got rid of the threat of hunger and sickness by the innovation of the welfare state and the NHS.

She was exceptional in that sense, those of us on the left who saw her dismantling the post war consensus, knew that it was a pre-cursor to what is now accepted as normal but which once would have been considered a national disgrace: homelessness, foodbanks, mothers going hungry to feed their kids, whole communities with no quality work etc.

Also, Thatcher was in her 90s. She'd had a life, she'd done the things she wanted to do in her life and we all have to die. I think most people agree that if you have any more than your three score years and ten, you can't complain about death, sad as it is. There's a difference between the way normal people receive the death of a young person vs an old person.

But then, most normal people don't actively celebrate the death of anyone, young or old. Celebrating the death of someone because you disagree with their political views and define those views as harmful to you when that person hasn't held political power and had the opportunity to introduce policies that actively harm you, is somewhat different than celebrating the death of someone who has actually harmed you, IMO. Not that I'm defending the celebrations of Thatcher's death, I thought they were distasteful and unpleasant, but it's a false equivalence to equate them to the celebrations of violent transactivists on the interweb.

Magdalen has never harmed anyone. What she has done is challenged and argued and invited transactivists to argue against her. They have always refused because they don't have any arguments, just bigotry and hatred which they then project on to her and all feminists who disagree with them. The pretence by transactivists that all their problems are down to uppity women, is a political stance they have taken because destroying a feminist analysis and approach to transactivism is crucial in ensuring that there is no coherent opposition to their political goals and because violent threats and hatred of women are more politically and socially acceptable than if they tried these tactics against men with actual power.

And of course, they're all batshit.

Nothing worse than we heard from just about the entire Left about Maggie Thatcher. Before and after she died.

I'm rewatching all her videos too. So much sense, so badly needed.

And goodbye you lovely woman, Magdalen. You made such a huge différence.

"He wouldn't recognise an ethic if one sat on his face and sang Hello Dolly."

My very favourite bit.

Absolutely. I have been rewatching all her videos, what an amazing legacy to leave.

Same here.

I hope she's comfortable - and that she's sufficiently comfortable and alert to know that McK's talk has bombed.

Imagine dying on a bit of "fuck off, wanker" news. Almost comforting, I'll bet.

Magdalen Fucking Berns. Fucking icon. What a fucking loss this one is going to be

Absolutely. I have been rewatching all her videos, what an amazing legacy to leave.

twitter.com/RachelRMoran/status/1167628732737236993

so sad.

Magdalen Fucking Berns. Fucking icon. What a fucking loss this one is going to be.

What a shame. How about another McK takeover on 5 Live instead? I'm sure the BBC will oblige.

Hx wouldn't recognise an ethic if one sat on hxx face and sang Hello Dolly.

I liked that one so much I actually lol’d. (OK it was more of an involuntary snort, but lol’d sounds better )

Yeah, I didn't want to pay £25 to see Ian McKellan, and I know him to be an interesting speaker.