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Drag practice: more authentic that actually being a woman?

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Patnotpending · 25/08/2019 22:39

I was listening to Saturday REview on Radio 4 yesterday and there was a discussion about the latest Almodovar film. Dorian Lynsky, music writer for the Guardian, says that something in the film relates to:

'drag practice, in which to channel femininity is more authentic than being a woman.'

My jaw dropped – and so did that of the presenter, Tom Sutcliffe, who instantly picked him up on it. It was laughed off, but only after Lynsky repeated that this was drag practice. It's here, at around 05.58 minutes in:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0007wkd

Can this really be true – that men in drag think they are being more authentic feminine than women? It's just so fucked-up, so obviously based on sex stereotypes. What are all these idiots on?

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Detroitinnineteensixtyeight · 26/08/2019 22:48

Practicing femininity vs being a woman.

Woman is not a costume.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 22:32

Weird

maybe he had, like, a 6th sense

I mean it’s virtually impossible to tell...apparently

Detroitinnineteensixtyeight · 26/08/2019 22:03

Seems like my timberlands, loose fitting jeans, high necked blue tee, and baseball hat didn't stop him seeing me as female.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 22:00

Oh thats mank detroit

Detroitinnineteensixtyeight · 26/08/2019 21:54

The most outstanding remark recently was in a grocery store. A guy around my age approached me by the cauliflower, squeezing one, and saying to me "I do like nice firm head'

I slunk away without my veg, saying nothing.

Fraggling · 26/08/2019 21:23

The poster who said they have literally never seen a woman who didn't look better in trousers was so ludicrous I think it was ignored.

Fraggling · 26/08/2019 21:17

'MargueritaBlue

Nah, I just find skirts and dresses uncomfortable and impractical, and if I'm honest have never met a woman who doesn't look better in trousers

Each to their own. Personally I think unless a woman is very slim most women look terrible in trousers. They are very unflattering on anyone larger than a size 10.'

This kind of statement from women to other women is what keeps the rocking world of gender role go round.

Yes what the other poster said was awful as well.

Women are so heavily policed by everyone.

Man at my work goes running every lunchtime in 70s style tiny running shorts. No one says a word even though he looks silly and out of date. Because he is a man doing a sport thing and so can dress however he feels comfortable and that is fine and as it should be.

littlbrowndog · 26/08/2019 21:11

Living the dream there zebra.

All my trainers are gnarly. I love them

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/08/2019 21:10

Grin About to don flip flops to go water the plants. My life is just so rock n roll.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 21:08

I do not wear gnarly old trainers 😱

I do have standards...watermelon shorts not withstanding

littlbrowndog · 26/08/2019 21:06

💪💪

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/08/2019 21:05

In fact, I teamed the feminine sundress with some knarly old trainers to walk the dogs just now. Go me! - sartorial rules are for suckers Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 21:04
Grin

I also have a number of pairs with parrots on

I have a few friends that have lovely sun dresses...most envious i am

littlbrowndog · 26/08/2019 21:04

Am in usual. Leggings floaty top

Them shorts are nice rufus

Do they flounce in a goodly manner ?

zebrasdontwearbras · 26/08/2019 21:02

Ooh I love the watermelon shorts!

I'm wearing a very feminine sundress.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 21:01

littl

I flounced in a pair of incredibly unflattering shorts with watermelons on

I kid you not

Drag practice: more authentic that actually being a woman?
littlbrowndog · 26/08/2019 20:58

Lols rufus. Flounce properly and hopefully not in a pair of unflattering trousers

wacademia · 26/08/2019 20:46

I dress like a woman. Boots and jeans to run away from men in. High necked tees to try avoid men's gaze. Baseball hat to try and hide my face. I'm still a woman.

Bet you still get sexually harassed as a woman. It's almost like men don't need sartorial clues to know who the female people are.

wacademia · 26/08/2019 20:20

I'm still not going to be thought policed Rufus I'm never going to say that to anyone.

You just did "say that to anyone". You told the whole board that you think we look terrible in trousers unless we are really thin.

It's not a very likely scenario is it? Out of all the women she's seen in her entire lifetime of say anything between 30- 60 years every single one of them would have looked better in trousers?

Depends on how much she likes to see women in trousers Wink. Jokes about some lesbian and bi women's attraction to butch women aside, taste is very individual. I like seeing women in workwear, doing jobs that they enjoy and doing them well. This is unrelated to their figures and very related to liking to be around satisfied and competent people. I think a good mechanic in a boiler suit looks good when working on my car, even if her garment fits where it touches. The same mechanic would look ridiculous in a skirt suit attempting that job. It's possible that the PP in question's taste is related to how women behave in trousers, rather than how they look.

Yes, certain cuts and styles suit some figures better than others. I look like a sack of spuds with a string around the middle if I try to wear hipsters and resemble Sir Topham Hatt if I wear cigarette trousers, but I look great in high-waisted palazzos. I suit a-line skirts but not pencil. I would disagree with you that anyone is too big or too small for an entire class of garment.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 20:05

I would just like to point out to anyone reading the thread that I haven’t told anyone what they should think

I really dont like seeing my name linked to thought policing or telling people what they should think

And I’m honestly going to leave it here

I hope you have a good evening marguerita and I’m sure I’ll see you on other threads...its just that as you can see I’m rubbish at not responding Smile

Detroitinnineteensixtyeight · 26/08/2019 19:58

I dress like a woman. Boots and jeans to run away from men in. High necked tees to try avoid men's gaze. Baseball hat to try and hide my face.
I'm still a woman. People born with penises are not women, as conventionally feminine as they might TRY to appear.

MargueritaBlue · 26/08/2019 19:55

I'm still not going to be thought policed Rufus I'm never going to say that to anyone. I'm never not going to employ someone simply because of their appearance. That would indeed be mean and silly but telling me what allowed to think is another matter.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/08/2019 19:48

wacademia

When i saw the women look better in trousers i just thought...oh thats silly and thought no more about it

But saying no one over a size 10 in trousers looks good is mean and silly

MargueritaBlue · 26/08/2019 19:47

And luckily im allowed my opinion that it was a mean thing to say

You could have said

Ive never met a woman who looks good in trousers....

But that would be untrue. Some women do look fantastic.

MargueritaBlue · 26/08/2019 19:44

I can't disagree with the poster who said all women she's seen to date look better in trousers, because I haven't seen all the women she's seen. She might simply have never yet seen a woman who she thinks looks better in a skirt

It's not a very likely scenario is it? Out of all the women she's seen in her entire lifetime of say anything between 30- 60 years every single one of them would have looked better in trousers?

But gets a free pass as it's her opinion. I would not have mentioned my opinion on how unattractive trousers are had she not posted that.

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