"Why is Jessica Y still on Twitterand not in jail?" Meghan Murphy in the Spectator.

Well what do you call a human being with a penis? XY person? Maybe we stick with that.

So Fekkoxx
Beyoncéxx
Queen Elizabethxx
Yanivxy

Etc.

For those in doubt. SEX is -

“In this system, the sex of an individual is determined by a pair of sex chromosomes. Females typically have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males typically have two different kinds of sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex.”

Who is their lawyer? I thought they represented themself?

They pay CAD$20 a month for a ‘lawyer’ - basically a company that will send out standard cease and desist letters that scare off most people.

Otherwise they use the BCHRT which is fee to them as the complaintent hence the 16 waxing cases.

Oh yes, please please take the Spectator to court. It's not like they won't have run this past their in house lawyers for an opinion pre publication, or that they could afford a really shit hot team of court room lawyers, or even that (given they're right of centre and pro free speech) they might even be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of what a spat like this will do for their circulation figures.

What was that legendary Private Eye letter? Arkell v Pressdram? Bring it on. I'm settling in with the popcorn.

Just refer to as he. Simple. He’s a he

MN has recently deleted JY posts for misgendering - see www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3644495-fascinating-tweets-about-jy-s-waxing-case-read-here-cont-thread-2?msgid=89513947

And they’ll quote the sticky at the top of the board. I believe JY keeps up with the threads here and on KF. The monitors also like to report.

Who is their lawyer? I thought they represented themself?

I do hope so. All the light of publicity it needs I think.

And JYs response to the Spectator article above is to threaten legal action 😂 I say go for it JY.

mobile.twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1164579739891187712

#1. I didn’t dox @ MsBlaireWhite and #2, I don’t use “sock puppets”
@ SpectatorUSA this article needs to be removed immediately or legal action WILL follow.

Ah, yes

Just use their initials. Repeatedly - is highlights the absurdity of attempting to police language using threats and intimidation.

Thank you all for answering. Is there anything it can be done about the pronouns?

This policing other people's language is very dangerous. I am in favour for some form of moderation (racism, hate, speech) but certainly using a pronoun does not cover it?

Is there anything that can be done to, politely, challenge this rule? TRAs have pulled policy in one way, can we pull it the other way? Apologies if this has been done to death.

I have not even a particularly feminist agenda on this occasion, it's my researcher sense for some form of "truth" for want if a better word that makes this policy seem untenable and indefensible .

Plainly said, Meghan.

That would be good, Fekko. Completely agree.

We're well down the rabbithole if somebody who until a few months ago used the name Jonathan on Twitter now has to be referred to as she/her.

GCAcademic The whole pronoun thing is about third person pronouns, so trying to control how we talk about trans, not how we address them (which in English would be the gender neutral 'you' - in Italian the formal pronoun is the third person feminine pronoun 'Lei', ironically, so technically everybody you have to address formally is female). This proves it has nothing to do with courtesy and everything to do with totalitarian thought-control.

Can’t we agree that he and she is a sex based description? Gender is a useless thing that can’t be quantified whereas sex is universally understood.

Yaniv is very big on self-promotion and lots of public figures agree to pose for pictures with people they know nothing about.

This happened not long ago to Yaniv. He poses with an activist, bleated on social media, lots of people told the activist about JY, activist denounced JY.
Hilarity ensued.

As for a pronoun for JY, I'd suggest a brand new one, Spud.
Eg:
"Spud likes posing for photos and Spud likes hitting with spuddy cane and spud sprints after mobility aid."

Just refer to Yaniv as he. Simple. He’s a he. He’s a male who is vile. If anyone wants to report me, I want evidence from MNHQ that they have contacted Yaniv and are certain Yaniv currently want to be referred to as she. As we’ve seen from the Axe Attacker Amati, things can change. No one who reports me (like the Pathetic Monitors) can be 100% sure Yaniv wants to be referred to as she today. After all, we are hearing ever shifting evidence of what genitalia Yaniv has, so someone that fickle about accurately describing their own anatomy could easily be fickle about what pronouns they use. Just because Yaniv has reported “misgendering” in the past doesn’t mean that still applies [shrugs].

So he’s a he until MNHQ get confirmation from him. Should be easy to clarify on Twitter.

Alternatively, we can stop pandering to vile males who want to force us to talk about them in ways we don’t want to.

I imagine trans fundamentalists in Turkey have a hard time, as nobody can misgender them.

They must be truly oppressed. Let’s hope there is the equivalent of “Sir” and “Ma’am” in Turkish.

20%? But then me wearing my DS old jumper makes me trans according the the mahoosive umbrella. Being trans doesn’t automatically mean you condone this behaviour surely? Why isn’t the community (which isn’t actually a thing?) up in arms and exposing behaviour that harms them?

There is a photo in circulation of a group of people at some public event grinning for a posed picture. One person in the group is Yaniv, another is a Twitter bigwig. I don't know whether the acquaintance goes beyond that. Yaniv is very big on self-promotion and lots of public figures agree to pose for pictures with people they know nothing about.

I read here the other day that something like 20% of Twitter's employees are trans. Have not checked whether this is true, but it would explain a lot.

My work is evidence based, in simple words, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why am I forced to say it's a swan because they say so? This is where dogma and the inquisition begins.

Haven't you read 1984? Orwell foretold this a long time ago.

In Farsi there is no he or she. So a native speaker can misgender willy nilly in English if not concentrating. Worse in french I suppose.

It’s sad that we see people very publicly with shadows over them and nothing happens. Much suspicion and accusations but no action is taken and the more bold they get.

Or the Chinese 3rd person pronoun ta which similarly means he or she (different in the written language but not in Pinyin).

I suggest we all use the Turkish pronoun 'o' which means 'he, she, it'. I imagine trans fundamentalists in Turkey have a hard time, as nobody can misgender them.