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"Why is Jessica Y still on Twitterand not in jail?" Meghan Murphy in the Spectator.

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Lamahaha · 23/08/2019 06:38

This article breaks all of MN rules but I hope it is still OK to post it. Please warn me if you think there's a problem. I want to avoid the naughty step this time around.
I won't quote directly from it as it consistently "misgenders" JY.

spectator.us/jessica-yaniv-twitter-jail/?fbclid=IwAR3nryTma9G2uJrNA1Xfe57oQKnYY8sADhpeAxF52JUXHxdUIqsrRz5fYEY

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HandsOffMyRights · 23/08/2019 10:28

Imagine being a journalist working on the White story and having to write 'Her penis.'

I've previously had a post pulled for using a particular pronoun with J. Bradley. Yet didn't JB also appear on a Companies House style register under two names - one as Jess and another that may be more traditionally associated with one particular sex. A sex class that I do not belong to (have I covered my back sufficiently MN?)

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/08/2019 10:06

Excuse typos - not wearing my glasses.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/08/2019 10:05

It’s a funny old world.

I stood next to a very tall personage yesterday. I’m not exactly short and I came up to their shoulder. Flowers shirts and blouse, sandals, many rings on their fingers, grown out ‘shirt haircut’ (so about 4 inches in length all over) and eyeliner. Heavy build (like a rugby player). Rather smug expression.

Now am I supposed to believe that this was a woman - and should be in woman only spaces? Or believe them to be a transvestite (more likely than a transsexual in this instance)? I cannot ask, can I? I can’t challenge them in a woman only space, can I? I can’t even say miss/missus/mr/he/she for fear of offending said person or possibly getting threatened.

Why are women being so treated, as to fear men who are aping them? What’s the deal? We have to pretend/go along with - to what extent?

NotBadConsidering · 23/08/2019 09:54

The judge/member in the BCHR case called him 'he'. His mother called him 'he'.

That’s good enough for me.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3FGi7Wwl2s

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 09:46

Funnily enough BernardBlacksWineIceLolly it’s almost like MN has us walking on eggshells ya know...

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 23/08/2019 09:42

yaniv is as trans as caitlyn jenner, as trans as blaire white, as trans as jayne fae

which is not to imply of course that those individuals share his unpleasant proclivities

so I don't really understand why correct pronouns for yaniv are allowed but not for those other individuals

yaniv is also as trans as jessica winfield (nee martin ponting), katie dolotawski, chloe walker (nee brandon)

we are allowed to correctly sex them according to the 'women must be nice' rules that MNHQ like to enforce, because they've been sufficiently naughty to be cast out

the whole thing is a fucking mess and nicely highlights the pickle you can get yourself in pandering to narcissists

you can end up deleting a post by a vulnerable, abused woman who can't get to a refuge she feels safe at because there are males there, on the basis that she was mean to a male on a feminist forum

for for fucks sake

I'm sorry, this is very off topic. but it's on my mind this morning

sackrifice · 23/08/2019 09:38

The judge/member in the BCHR case called him 'he'.
His mother called him 'he'.

Both on video.

The people that answer the phone when he calls the cops call him 'Sir'.

Also on video. Several times.

I think we can surmise that he is a he.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 23/08/2019 09:35

When I filled out the GRC consultations I studiously wrote 'men who identify as transwomen' and 'women who identify as transmen' every single time.

It was tedious as fuck to have to do so but I wanted to stress the sex of the people concerned.

I also wrote 'sex, as determined at conception, as observed at birth, as is immutable, unchangeable and can never be identified in to or out of' every single time.

I'm annoying like that.

Eustasiavye · 23/08/2019 09:34

Great article.

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 09:33

I think because JY is a naughty trans person we're allowed to correctly sex him according to the topsy turvy rules MNHQ have tied themselves up in in a futile attempt to please people who want nothing less than total capitulation

Is this a for real? Have MN said this or are they just not deleting?

I think I’ve still some rolling within the time period strikes against me -but who can fucking tell, cos it’s not like I can check - so I’m (reluctantly) abiding my the rules.... else I’ll face the ban hammer 😬

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/08/2019 09:30
  • Man who says they are female
  • man who says/thinks they are a woman
  • Woman who says they are male
  • woman who says/thinks they are a man

Poor thing who doesn’t seem to know.

Sorted. Sex based reality plus ideas works rather well.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 23/08/2019 09:24

I think because JY is a naughty trans person we're allowed to correctly sex him according to the topsy turvy rules MNHQ have tied themselves up in in a futile attempt to please people who want nothing less than total capitulation

Which, in itself, shows the rules to be a mockery.

Yaniv may be a deeply unpleasant person, possibly a criminal person, but Yaniv has not actually been convicted of anything.

So why exactly are we allowed to correctly sex Yaniv but not, say, S Hayden who does have a conviction for violent thuggery?

Not suggesting anyone should be prevented from using correct sex pronouns about Yaniv but the lack of consistency is glaring.

(when I'm dictator in chief the right to use correct sex pronouns shall be enshrined in law)

hardyloveit · 23/08/2019 09:15

I've just watched one of blairwhites videos on YouTube - it's very disturbing that JY was organising a TOPLESS party for teens only - banned parents and carers! How the hell is this JY not in jail???
Blair made good points in one of her videos.
This whole situ is disgusting!

happydappy2 · 23/08/2019 09:12

I’d prefer to use the term Male who identifies as trans. Is more accurate than transwoman.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 23/08/2019 09:04

I think because JY is a naughty trans person we're allowed to correctly sex him according to the topsy turvy rules MNHQ have tied themselves up in in a futile attempt to please people who want nothing less than total capitulation

HandsOffMyRights · 23/08/2019 08:54

Good. I'd like to see legal action. The Harrop and Hayden team maybe...

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 08:49

I’m not the thread monitor, and I agree that pronouns are rohypnol,

MN sticky else risk the post or even the thread being pulled.

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

Hopefully I’m wrong and all posts will stay.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 23/08/2019 08:42

Why is this male so powerful that he can compel women's speech to conform to his whims? I'm sure Boris Johnson, for example, doesn't like how he's referred to on social media but (rightly) no one's post would be deleted if he complained. Which even he must know he couldn't. Exactly why does JY have the privilege to force women to lie? The answer is: he doesn't. No one does. Let's speak the truth.

StealthPolarBear · 23/08/2019 08:39

Not Bad Considering excellent points. Referring to JY as she on a Friday might be literal violence. You're absolutely right that if anyone is going to take issue with yaniv being referred to as he then they need to establish yanivs preferences at that exact moment.

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 08:35

Arkell v Pressdram

😂😂😂

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/08/2019 08:34

Anyone else humming ‘feed the wo-orld’?

FermatsTheorem · 23/08/2019 08:34

For someone who themselves chooses to ask about how to help pubescent girls insert their first tampon (speaking in general terms about such people, not specific individuals, natch), may I suggest that the appropriate pronouns are "perve" and "perveself"?

Lamahaha · 23/08/2019 08:32

Sue, JY, sue!!!!
Peak trans the world!

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NotBadConsidering · 23/08/2019 08:31

Like I said, if a Monitor wants to report me, I want to see proof that Yaniv currently, as of this very minute, hasn’t changed his mind about his pronouns. He testified in court about having periods, so his fantastical mind is clearly fickle. Who knows where things are right now? If Yaniv himself is monitoring, it should be easy enough for MNHQ to email me evidence that he himself has complained. After all, wouldn’t want to offend a vile alleged paedophile, I’m sure MNHQ would be against such things Hmm.

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 08:31

And twitter says...

Why is "Jessica Yaniv" still harassing people on Twitter while our client Meghan Murphy was banned from Twitter for calling out Yaniv's predatory behavior against teen girls?

mobile.twitter.com/pnjaban/status/1164653464707727362