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Rugby becomes first sport to make “ultimate statement in equality “

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BiologyIsReal · 22/08/2019 11:57

Can’t link but Daily Telegraph reports today that World Rugby is adopting gender-neutral naming for tournaments, dropping the word “women” from in front of the Women’s Rugby World Cup so men’s and women’s will simply both be known as the Rugby World Cup.

CEO Brett Gosper said it was “a landmark and a statement that we are treating the men’s and women’s games evenly and the potential in each is as powerful as the other”

Sir Bill Beaumont, World Rugby chairman said it showed unwavering commitment to advancing women on Rugby.

“Unintentional gender bias in sport is an ongoing issue. As a global sporting federation we need to be seen leading from the front.”

Good for them. Interesting that one of the most ‘macho’ sports is consistently taking the lead in equality e.g World Rugby is offering extra seats to unions on condition the are filled by women.

Let’s hope our friends, the TRAs, don’t try and hijack the change by claiming the tournaments don’t specify they are “women’s”!

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Kit19 · 22/08/2019 20:43

DH is involved with refereeing at national/international level in a different sport. So far he’s been 🤷🏻‍♀️ About the issue which pisses me off but I will put the question to him “what if one of your umpires approaches you and asks for advice re refereeing a women’s game that includes a TW? Where does that sit with regards to player safety?”

Popchyk · 22/08/2019 20:39

Sorry, should be Adrian Yalland, not David. (above)

He also has this to say:

twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1163883531690528769

"The more I look at the incoherent ideology and contradictory laws relating to transgender issues, the more I conclude (a) it’s legalised misogyny, (b) treating gender dysphoria medically and surgically is a social policy “fail” and (c) self- ID will be a bigger disaster".

Another person who has been peak-transed.

Popchyk · 22/08/2019 20:35

David Yalland, lawyer and rugby referee, said he'd probably have to refuse to referee the game on player safety grounds.

twitter.com/AdrianYalland/status/1164538147088359425

Interesting point, actually.

Referees also being put in a very difficult situation that is not of their making.

Want to bet that referees were never consulted about this either? Along with actual women?

owlonabike · 22/08/2019 20:23

Some poor woman is going to have her life derailed by this selfish man. Still, so long as he gets to play, that’s the important thing. He might even be magnanimous enough to pay for the wheelchair.

Utter madness.

SunsetBeetch · 22/08/2019 20:14

People have been pointjng3out in twitter that the bit about Kelly breaking the coach's ankle seems to have been removed from the BBC article. (Screenshot of the original text attached.)

Rugby becomes first sport to make “ultimate statement in equality “
TemporaryPermanent · 22/08/2019 19:50

BTW that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it.

TemporaryPermanent · 22/08/2019 19:50

Ooh Fermats. I like that one.

The trouble is that a Stonewall-trained insurance company will probably 'educate' the women complaining that they can't insure a team where there is such a high potential of a life changing or life threatening injury, and that the obvious answer is for the women to stop playing.

ChattyLion · 22/08/2019 19:38

Great point about insurers

Also what *Royal said:

I hope other teams refuse to play against them. This is insane. Absolutely insane. Rugby is already a dangerous sport as it is, but the idea that women are being expected to play against a man is just breathtakingly stupid.

FermatsTheorem · 22/08/2019 19:30

I think the only thing that might turn the tide is lawsuits. Women with spinal injuries suing the WRFU for millions.

I definitely think one form of activism that might be worthwhile is piling the pressure on the insurance companies. If every woman rugby player or parent of a girl rugby player writes to the insurers to ask what their position is, what they will do in the event of injuries, whether they have factored future lawsuits into their premiums.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/08/2019 19:25

It feels like the whole country can see that women are being screwed over, but there's a woke group of wankers in charge of media, sports organisations, prison policy, etc. with their fingers in their ears going "la la la, can't hear you

Do you know WHY it feels like this, it's because it's true.
It's social engineering, unfortunately it works.

FermatsTheorem · 22/08/2019 19:16

Wow - the twitter thread! The ratio is quite astonishing. I've scrolled through hundreds of responses saying "this is cheating, this is dangerous, women will get injured, it is the end of women's sport" and only one "yay, you go girl" response.

And quite a few saying WTAF BBC, where's your idea of balanced reporting gone?

It feels like the whole country can see that women are being screwed over, but there's a woke group of wankers in charge of media, sports organisations, prison policy, etc. with their fingers in their ears going "la la la, can't hear you."

RoyalCorgi · 22/08/2019 19:13

Good to see the responses to that tweet. Overwhelmingly angry and critical. Most people aren't stupid enough to fall for this shit.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 22/08/2019 19:06

The women on the team love it.
Or so it seems.

They won't all be OK with this.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/08/2019 18:55

Biological segregated sport will continue, but it'll be pushed to proverbial underground under the radar matches.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/08/2019 18:53

Sport is absolutely fucked.

PancakeAndKeith · 22/08/2019 18:48

I’ve just come here to find the thread.

The replies to the tweet from BBC Sport Wales. are interesting. twitter.com/bbcsportwales/status/1164423197191745537?s=21

FWRLurker · 22/08/2019 18:42

I feel like this article is close to the onion levels of parody and yet it’s real!!! Whaaaaattt

FermatsTheorem · 22/08/2019 18:32

And the player in question is 33 - yet another male-bodied individual taking up women's sport at an age where most rugby players (because rugby is a very, very physical game with a lot of injuries) would be thinking about retiring.

But apparently taking hormones makes them all weepy, so that's okay then, femininity confirmed (sarcasm in case anyone wasn't clear).

Popchyk · 22/08/2019 18:27

The above should read:

"And it is not just players that have felt her force, as her own coach Wayne Mansell recalls: "She's put me in hospital, I won't lie about that. She's given me a fracture in my ankle during a game of touch."

Popchyk · 22/08/2019 18:24

Apparently Morgan has already put the male coach in hospital with a broken ankle.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1164511905907642368

it is not just players that have felt her force, as her own coach Wayne Mansell recalls: "She's put me in hospital, I won't lie about that. She's given me a fracture in my ankle during a game of touch." /4

The bit about the broken ankle has been removed, but someone got a screenshot of it.

littlbrowndog · 22/08/2019 18:13

Well they will both be men’s teams so no need to knowv🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

FannyCann · 22/08/2019 18:11

Am I being thick? I don't understand. If both games are The Rugby World Cup how will anyone know which one they are in?

wacademia · 22/08/2019 17:50

The TdF cyclists kicked up more stink over disk brakes than sportswomen are kicking up over the safety and fairness of female sport.

What is wrong with the world?

wacademia · 22/08/2019 17:49

If she only trained harder, she wouldn't have been so badly injured.

There's a limit to how much protection training will give you when your opponent is

  • bigger
  • stronger
  • heavier
  • faster
  • has a higher centre of mass than you.
GrouchyKiwi · 22/08/2019 16:36

That line about "folding like a deckchair" made me feel ill. The way they're laughing about it! So very wrong.

I too think it would have been better if they'd added "Men's" to this year's World Cup. But I don't think I'll be watching anyway, with Rugby's attitude to domestic abuse, especially as a Kiwi - see Sevu Reece.