Male axe attacker gets in fights in womens prison (is also de-transitioning- but still in the womens prison though?)

@JellySlice

Women are taught not to do this. The loud man is 'forceful', 'assertive', 'confident'. The loud woman is 'shrill' and 'hysterical'.

So true, and don't get me started on the damage that #girlboss is doing. I'm just a boss. As in work wise.

I'm a company founder and a leader. I don't need to quality it with an infantilising addition. Uuuugh.

Also the word 'bossy' which is only ever used about girls and women.

So glad you and other people on here understand. I've emerged from what I now see is an echo chamber, to actively challenge different opinions. But it's bloody nice to share thoughts here and not be accused of being transphobic or bloody lefty by various people.

Was reading about a male born person having loads of surgery to change ‘her’ into a reptile/snake.

Brave new world indeed.

And it feels like my only choice is to take on the philosophy I've always hated - you absolutely have to shout the loudest if you want to get listened to.

Women are taught not to do this. The loud man is 'forceful', 'assertive', 'confident'. The loud woman is 'shrill' and 'hysterical'.

NZ is dealing with this POS at present. I'm hoping they are not in our women's prison.
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12260046

You're bang on @ChattyLion

It's the same as it was with Brexit, Trump and now this. It's been a sharp wake up call group of people (including me) who get complacent. I assumed my opinion was 'right' to the point of what I now shamefully see was political arrogance.

I stupidly assumed that the alternatives to my own beliefs were so obviously dangerous that they couldn't possibly come to fruition.

I should have spoken up without fear, explained myself more eloquently, understood alternative viewpoints more and been respectful of them enough as real and possible, to encourage healthy debate.

Now I'm backed into a corner watching things happen that I thought were so awful they couldn't possibly happen.

And it feels like my only choice is to take on the philosophy I've always hated - you absolutely have to shout the loudest if you want to get listened to.

The word surgery means fuck all these days.

Agreed. In general, even major surgery that is privately available had been casualised and made light of by ‘nip and tuck’ and ‘boob job’ type of commercial euphemism and so in this context someone saying they had surgery or are ‘post-surgery’ might mean anything but be understood to mean sex reassignment. (Good point about ‘gender’ realignment surgery upthread too.)

Nobody listens to women.

Why the fuck are the authorities not equally scared of women sueing them

A female prisoner said "I could not get a mole removed when I was inside so how he convinced them to give him two sex changes

Yet more evidence that TWAnotW.

And women getting f2m ops in prison on the nhs?

I thought not...

The word surgery means fuck all these days. It may not mean genitals.

The very first man in the UK to get transferred to a women's prison was John Pilley. Became Jane Anne Pilley.

After the transfer, John decided to identify as male again and had another sex change operation and returned to a men's prison.

mg.co.za/article/2006-01-12-prisoner-changes-sex-again/

Here's another recent case of a male inmate getting sex change surgery, moving to a women's prison for 10 years and then sex change surgery again when he started identifying as male again.

metro.co.uk/2018/10/03/transgender-inmate-had-op-to-become-a-man-again-after-10-years-in-female-jail-7818605/

This man got married to a female inmate while in the women's prison.

A female prisoner said "I could not get a mole removed when I was inside so how he convinced them to give him two sex changes God only knows.’

I'm guessing that this man is nearly due for release and is preparing for life on the outside again.

Ah - explains why ‘gender’ not ‘sex’ (re)assignment surgery.

Fekko - Amati could still have a penis. I've seen people like Paris Lees and Bergdorf describe facial feminisation surgery and breast implants as gender reassignment surgery. It suits them for people to think they have dysphoria about their penises when they don't

But they say this never happens.

Does anyone else read these stories numerous times thinking they must be missing something because it is SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

I read one, finish it, thank I must have skipped over the bit that made it make sense to the powers that be. Rinse, repeat and get angry.

^^ Yes. This. 100%.
This is the obvious lesson of the ‘it will never happen’ thread isn’t it.
Not only that inexcusable is done to women and women are expected to accept it - and repeatedly- but that anyone complaining about it is blamed for being nasty and then just fucking ignored anyway.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?pg=4&order=

This story is just horrific, just like all the other ones on that thread.

Why do women and children have to be the innocent people deliberately placed into this slow-motion car crash, before someone somewhere finally will change the policy? (If they ever do- WTF will it take to change the policy?! Doesn’t seem like even murder is enough..)

Of course everyone who wants to call themselves something new or dress however they want should absolutely crack on with that. But something is literally categorically wrong when authorities feel they have no choice legally but to put MEN into a WOMEN’s prison (or where authorities want to do this to be woke and are permitted to ‘get ahead of the law’ on this - ie be illegal). Just absolutely NO.

It’s completely unacceptable there can be no ‘third space’ option that would be legally available to the authorities to use instead without fear (or purported fear ) of a complainant being able to sue them for mishousing them because of their gender feelings. Why the fuck are the authorities not equally scared of women sueing them into tomorrow for putting women at risk in this way?

This type of highly risky mess surely goes back to legal solutions which should be urgently reviewed by Parliaments in countries where these apply such as the gender recognition act. (In the UK).

ThatCurlyGirl - they were angry and warned us but they were shut up and drowned out by a cacophony of 'just be niiiiiiice'

Nobody listens to women. Especially angry ones. Or icky lesbian ones. Feminazi manhaters? As if!

That asterix was meant to be after:

"Then they even came for our periods*"

Because to asterix indicates the below:
*just the bits they want of these - sympathy and self promoting

To use the pattern of a famous quote:

First they came for the toilets
Then they came for the pronouns
Then they came for the schools
Then they came for the prisons
Then they came for the press
Then they came for the government
Then they came for our safe spaces
Then they EVEN came for the *periods

Then we all got to peak trans and decision makers at every level didnt give a shit so they silenced us.

They've never come for the wage gap though. And I doubt they ever will.

*just the bits they want of these - sympathy and self promoting

Amati is a he.

MN allows us to correctly pronoun males who have been convicted of male pattern violent or sexual crimes.

I watched the attack this man made on another man, and a woman, randomly, in the store. It was horrifically aggressive. You'd be searching a long while before finding a woman swinging an axe like that, at a stranger.

The prison authorities have allowed this farcical situation where violent males are incarcerated with women.

Women told them. Experts in the prison systems have told them. They didn't listen.

mods, I'm sorry, I'm doing the best I can with pronouns, I'm genuinely not sure what they should be at this point

Can I just derail a bit and make a point on this. How are any of us ever meant to know about anyone? If one of the Pathetic Monitors reports a post for “misgendering” how is the poster supposed to know for sure which pronouns a person uses, and whether the person referred to cares? And how is MNHQ supposed to know if the person in any post (not just this one) wants people to refer to them as he or she? Does MNHQ check every time a Pathetic Monitor reports a post for “misgendering”? I find it ridiculous that we all have to cower in the face of deletion because we don’t know how for sure how someone wants others to refer to them.

Well Amati is a he because the pronoun refers to his sex. If some Pathetic Monitor wants to report my post for “misgendering” firstly, go fuck yourself, and second, you’d better be sure that you’re correct that Amati doesn’t want to be referred to as he, and MNHQ better check with Australian authorities in the prison he’s held in to be sure before I am deleted.

It was a truly awful attack I saw it when it was first reported. Ppls life’s changed for ever

Yet this violent man in a woman’s prison.

They had ‘gender (re)assignment surgery’ and have changed their mind. Wow. I assume this means they went the whole hog.

Well that says a hell of a lot about how even the most adamant can do a turnaround. Despite their ‘last brain in a male body’. You couldn’t make it up.

Does anyone else read these stories numerous times thinking they must be missing something because it is SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

I read one, finish it, thank I must have skipped over the bit that made it make sense to the powers that be. Rinse, repeat and get angry.

Well, Popchyk, what choice do we have? We have to let those men who identify as women (or men) into women's prisons, otherwise they could really get hurt feelings. And that would be totally unacceptable.