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Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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Tyrotoxicity · 17/09/2019 00:26

This is a support thread. It's not the place for accusations of unpleasantness towards its members. If you want to complain that the transwidows are being unpleasant, feel free to start a thread.

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anomoony · 16/09/2019 23:21

Total lack of self-awareness and inability to realise one is both a subject and an object.

Lacking theory of mind. Other people are like computer generated characters in a game while he is the only protagonist.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2019 22:56

I'm pleased you posted it jogger, reminds me what we're up against.

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joggerbottom · 16/09/2019 20:59

Sorry for plopping the DM column and running. I worried for ages whether I should have posted it so didn't want to look on here for a few days.

It was an awfully unbalanced response to the problem and I didn't want it to slip under the radar even though I knew it could be upsetting to read.

I will go back into lurk mode now.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2019 16:37

Advanced search is your friend. This is a support thread.

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TinselAngel · 16/09/2019 12:47

Thanks, sorry to use 'she' about Debbie. Will try and remember.

Any further discussion on that would be better on one of the threads which deals with this issue specifically rather than on this support thread.

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Tyrotoxicity · 16/09/2019 09:21

I'm still psyching myself up for it.

Just a burst of insight into why it's so bloody obnoxious being asked to call them "she" though.

It's because we've developed an intuitive understanding that "sexual objectification" is wrong. And if you make a conscious choice to apply a particular sexed pronoun... A body is an object, a mind is a subject. Preferred pronouns are a demand to sex the object. It's sexual objectification on the most basic level. Of course it makes us feel wrong. It's a demand that we behave like they do!

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Tyrotoxicity · 15/09/2019 22:20

I usually find I get a feeling of bad vibes when I'm in the presence of someone who's managed to convey their basic operating principle is: "I'm happy to collaborate so long as you don't acknowledge that our mutual goal is warping away from yours and towards mine."

I get that vibe about every male spouse I've ever read about on this thread.

I wish Debbie's wife had got here first, so I could say what I'm really thinking.

(Thanks for the link, Tinsel; it's going to make me very very cross again, isn't it?)

TinselAngel · 15/09/2019 21:50

www.channel4.com/programmes/trans-kids-its-time-to-talk

It's from this programme.

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Tyrotoxicity · 15/09/2019 12:16

"I committed no offence other than responding to a medical condition" he says. FFS!

It just says it all, doesn't it? Typical male abusive mindset. "My horrible behaviour isn't abuse if I feel like it's justified by the thoughts in my head." Total lack of self-awareness and inability to realise one is both a subject and an object.

I'm just going to take a moment to do some calming breathing exercises before I keep reading.

"Your ex-wife was surely angry and humiliated"

Humiliated. Now there's a verb with a very definite subject and object. We've identified the wife as the object of the verb. I wonder who the subject could have been? Who was performing the actions of humiliation?

"I can understand how very hard it must be to accept that Dad has now become another ‘Mum’"

Oh fuck OFF with this bollocks and look at what their mum did. She backed them up, she kept them safe, she protected them from a father whose behaviour was fucking the whole family right up. What did their dad do? He was the one doing the fucking up. He's not another mum. "Mum" to those children is the one who protected them, the one who's on their side, the one who put their needs first. He's literally trying to identify his way out of accepting what he's done. What an absolute knob.

"But it seems unjust, as well as sad, that nobody spoke to them to put the case for forgiveness and reconciliation, to ask them to choose to be kind."

Jesus, this is the absolute antithesis of the Relationships board collective wisdom, isn't it? Trying to use guilt and shame to coerce the abused into letting the abuser off the hook is abusive.

"Chris, of course you have committed no ‘offence’"

Yeah, cos what constitutes an offence is determined by what men think is acceptable, and they think psychologically abusing women and children to get their own way is perfectly fine and dandy and normal and not wrong.

"Have you ever written to them? It might be worth a try now."

The only potential positive I can see in writing them is it might remind them that their dad is still a dick who won't accept their boundary. Just in case they'd been wavering on that one.

That made me very, very cross.

TinselAngel · 15/09/2019 12:15

There's a good chance of course that the Mail letter is just propaganda and isn't even true.

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Tyrotoxicity · 15/09/2019 12:04

I haven't even got as far as the answer on that Daily Mail link, and I'm already shouting at my computer.

"I am left thinking I will end my days with no resolution of the situation." - Yeah mate, that's cos the "resolution" you're after is everyone bowing down to you. It's all about you. You could resolve this yourself by coming to terms with the fact that you've actually been a massive bellend to your nearest and dearest and that's on you to take responsibility for, not the people you've hurt.

ItsOn the media reporting of of the lesbian march is pure propaganda. I was there. The actual counterprotest were unwittingly exploiting the optics, but they sure as hell didn't shut down the lesbians there on the day. There was a distinctly defiant air of absolute refusal to be cowed by the presence of woke homophobes.

ItsOnAmericasTorturedBrow · 14/09/2019 15:43

Very sad to see that the lesbians marching to protest Lesbian erasure in Leeds on their were shut down by "trans lesbians" ie men.

divamag.co.uk/2019/09/09/streets-of-leeds-lined-with-support-for-trans-lesbians/?fbclid=IwAR0KK5-1s-A0Vs6HbAu42miTFPv7kbnd8D7HmME-aBJX8zhHfaWqSMCCrAc

WifeOfTiresias · 14/09/2019 14:08

I will spend some time this weekend crafting a response to Bel Mooney's piece. Just don't quite know where to start there is so much wrong in there! Angry

TinselAngel · 14/09/2019 11:09

I wonder if the friend she consulted happens to be a newspaper columnist with his own thread on here?

It really is telling that it's not even considered that there might be another side to the story of why his kids aren't talking to him. Any other man would surely be asked how his own behaviour might have contributed to this?

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gwilt · 14/09/2019 09:37

Delurking to express my respect and support.

The older I get, the more I try to spread the feminist word.

I just asked my husband if he'd call himself a feminist. The answer was YES Grin

socialworker222 · 14/09/2019 09:28

The email address works, just take off my final full-stop.
I note she only went to a brave and stunning person, and showed the usual lack of curiosity about how this might have felt for the family left behind. Angry

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