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Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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TehBewilderness · 26/04/2020 01:29

You have done us all a great service by creating and maintaining these threads.
It is every woman's right to kink shame.

TinselAngel · 25/04/2020 19:10

It's around now I start to get twitchy about the need to start another thread soon.

I think this has still got enough legs to justify a fourth thread, hasn't it? (I hope so because I've got a good name for it Grin)

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QuinnMovesOn · 25/04/2020 15:49

Abbey, I'm sorry you're dealing with this in addition to the pandemic. Your story is very similar to mine and others here.

About the "I wasted my whole life" idea... I also thought this, but I know know that it is possible to recover from this, you can have a terrific life on the other side of this even if you choose divorce. It will take time, but you'll get there. It's taken me years to get past the grief, but my life is so much better now.

Can you find a therapist? Or talk to a medical practitioner about the anxiety?

TinselAngel · 25/04/2020 10:38

I have been taken to task for my prudishness elsewhere but am actually quite happy to be a "Kink Shamer". There's a very strong focus on anal related shenanigans in your post Abbey5, this could be indicative of many things, but the most obvious one is that it is not a state of affairs that a heterosexual women should have to put up with or be a prop in the practice of.

There are men who enjoy talking about this stuff to an unwilling female audience, and we've had other women on the thread who are coerced into more active participation by their partners.

Women should never be pressured into being a prop in a male fantasy.

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Abbey5 · 25/04/2020 10:31

Thank you all for your advice and support. It means the world to me x

socialworker222 · 25/04/2020 09:54

Welcome Abby. Your experience is familiar to many posters here. I can't work out if you've been together 10 or 20 years, maybe a typo. Either way, it's a long time. You don't mention children so I assume you may be free to 'run away'.
Putting aside the detail of his behaviour which sounds typical of fetish stuff underlying older men's transitions (in our repeated and established experience), what do you want to do?
Sounds like you don't like the behaviour, don't want to participate in it, and are not able to stop him doing it.
You may have a choice between tolerating it, setting some limits on when and where it happens, and whether you are part of it, or leaving.
If you do the former, you may choose to live with someone who has a fetish that is separate from your relationship; some people manage this fine but others feel it is too distancing and unintimate and upsetting. That's a tough road.
Do you want to leave? Is this important enough to make you leave? I certainly would not stay and would cut my losses. You seem to acknowledge that his behaviour is not going to change; if anything it will escalate.
If you can tolerate that because there are other great things about him/your relationship, this may be something you have to accept to stay.
If you want to leave, lots of people on here have experience of making that tough decision, planning for a new future etc.
Crucially, taking him and his wishes/behaviour completely out of the picture, what do you want to do?
The one thing it sounds like you can't get is your husband back as you thought you knew him before his secret was exposed and established.

We're here if you want support. Good luck.

fuckinghellthisshit · 24/04/2020 21:32

www.transwidowsvoices.org/

fuckinghellthisshit · 24/04/2020 21:19

Take care @Abbey5, you are a valuable person, you matter. This is nothing to do with the suffering of others and C19, your empathy and kindness are part of why he is exploiting you. Please take care of yourself. Post on here, read the threads, form your own strong identity and separate yourself from him. This time will pass and he must leave. Thinking of you.

EastCoastTranswidow · 24/04/2020 20:16

Abbey5, my heart is breaking for you. And being on lockdown with him, it truly must be unbearable. This partner of yours has been hiding these personas from you and acting out online. He probably has some cross dressing tendencies but you may not know it. God knows what else he is up to.

I know how it is, my husband of 10 years came out 2 years ago and told he was transgender and had to begin his transition. I was in shock, disgusted, so very angry that he had kept this from me. I was in a terrible state and could not believe my husband was not who I thought he was. I could not imagine life without him, and to say I was devastated would be putting it lightly.

Now, after he has gone thru full transition and started meeting men online and in person (behind my back no less), I am done. My husband doesn't exist now and if it wasn't for the lockdown, I would have already filed for separation.

Please know, many women have gone thru this and worse. Do not let him use your sexually or financially. Take care of yourself, he is not concerned about anyone else right now.

Abbey5 · 24/04/2020 18:44

Hello, I'd be so grateful for your advice... A few months ago I found my partner (male) of over 10 years, chatting online in a lesbian chat room, pretending to be a lesbian. He was using a photo of a pretty woman in her mid-twenties, and chatted and personal messaged lesbians, transgender women and shemales. I've caught him countless times and each time he promised never to do it again. He always breaks this promise. He insists that he’s doing nothing wrong, that it's nothing sexual - that he's helping people with their problems, and also having a joke and a laugh. He literally could not see that his lying to me IS something bad. He's mostly drunk when he does this, but not always. He says he's had some 'close friendships' in this chat room and insists that they weren't sexual, which I find hard to believe as he likes lesbian porn. I'm sure he's living out his fantasies online, but I'm also wondering how it might progress further. He insists that he loves me and has always found me attractive. Our sex life had been 0 for years, until recently when we tried to make a go of it and I tried to trust him again. He expressed that he likes to be dominated and he paid 'special attention to my bum hole' which he'd never done before. But then I found his new persona is a trangender woman. He watches transgender and shemale porn and uses anal dildos on himself. How can I help him if he can’t help himself? I can’t control his actions. I can only control my own. I feel terrible for even mentioning this because of what’s happening in the world right now with the coronavirus. All that he’s done and his refusal to talk about it, or listen to what I have to say is making everything so much worse. I just want to run away, but I can’t. I have no close friends that I feel I can talk about this with. I was a virgin when I met him. He's the only man I've ever had sex with. We've been together for over 20 years! For god's sake - I feel like i've wasted my life!!!!!! Before the corona virus I was on the brink of leaving him. Since lockdown he's started to talk to me about using the anal dildos, which he's been using for 10 years. 10 years ago i had breast cancer and he supported me through that. He told me that he didn't think i had a sexual libido any more because of the tablet i take every day to stop it from returning. I'm not sleeping properly, having panic attacks and anxiety to the point where i throw up.
Thank you for taking the time to read this. I hope you can help x

Strangerthantruth · 15/04/2020 17:32

Iworkmiricles

What a horror! After years of supporting my ex I can't tell you how wonderful it was to sell up and be free to live my life (he wasn't trans but I thought I would offer my encouragement anyway).

On a helpful note Purplebricks can put your property on the market remotely if you want to take a look. He will have to sign the sales agreement so you might as well start the conversation now.

www.purplebricks.co.uk/how-does-purplebricks-work

TinselAngel · 15/04/2020 16:07

Making plans will help you through the lockdown I should think, even though you can't action much at the moment.

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Iworkmiricles · 15/04/2020 15:46

Thanks' ladies, I have been looking at selling up, I just felt it was one stress I could do with out, but I agree, a new place would be better for a new start.
This lock down isn't making things easy, and really slowing things down, but I'm sure I can find something without completely freaking myself out.
I have to say one thing - I am getting so much more confident at times at standing up for myself, which is good.

TinselAngel · 15/04/2020 08:25

I can vouch for it feeling better mentally to be living in a new house after the split.

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QuinnMovesOn · 14/04/2020 23:50

Iworkmiricles, ditto the recommendation for getting legal advice. You really want to make sure you can get completely financially clear. And if you do wind up having to pay financial support, at least get that started, so you have an end date on it.

For me, selling the house was non-negotiable, I knew it was the only way to get him out (and his massive amount of personal belongings, my ex being a borderline hoarder). And it worked, it got both of us out of the house. My personal finances immediately improved after legal separation.

TinselAngel · 14/04/2020 21:57

they want somwhete safe to tranistion

It's making me bloody furious the thought that not only does he want to inflict his unwelcome presence on you, he's also clearly expecting you to nurse and financially support him through it.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

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TinselAngel · 14/04/2020 21:00

In that I think you'll probably have to get legal advice. Are you married?

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Iworkmiricles · 14/04/2020 18:48

It's a mortgage, both names on it, but he hasn't paid anything on it for years and years as he doesn't work, doesn't claim benefits. I have to sign a thing every year to say I am supporting them for the student loan company

TinselAngel · 14/04/2020 18:32

Who owns the property, or if rented, whose name is in the tenancy?

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Iworkmiricles · 14/04/2020 18:22

How do you get them to leave? It's a bit role reversal for me, I work, I pay all the bills, I have nothing to lose. However, they don't want to move out because they want somwhete safe to tranistion, that universal credit isn't enough to live off, so can't move out. They now have the bed to themselves because I don't want to share with them. They just don't get it at all. The only blessing at the moment is that do far they have remained presenting as male whilst we are all stuck at home together.
I don't know what to do to get them to go.

TinselAngel · 09/04/2020 10:26

Thoughts going out to any women who are following this thread, stuck in lockdown with cross dressing husbands. Boundaries will be being pushed I expect. Thanks

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TinselAngel · 03/04/2020 18:14

Really good podcast from Stella O Malley and Lisa Marchiano

t.co/3I1nRgLmxJ?amp=1

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QuinnMovesOn · 01/04/2020 15:43

@KitkatX4, ditto what others have said. Please be careful of making short term financial decisions just to be done with this. I completely empathize with wanting to be done, but you'll be living with the court decision for years.

TinselAngel · 31/03/2020 16:47

Kit, I don't know all of your circumstances but giving him the house sounds like a bad idea unless you don't want / need it?

This reminds me of something that happened to me after I left my ex and was equipping my new flat.

I went to IKEA with my friend and after getting most of what I needed, I was exhausted and overwhelmed and lost the will to live when it came to trying to pick lampshades. I said I'd just do without lampshades, but my friend wouldn't let me leave Ikea until I'd bought some. She insisted I deserved things looking nice.

I wonder if we need to stop you leaving the metaphorical shop because you're too exhausted, until you've tried to get an outcome that will work for you?

I'd urge you not to give in and settle for something that won't suit you and the kids, just to keep your ex quiet. I realise this has to be balanced against how much it will cost in lawyers fees, but also don't forget you can just say "no" to things and let him spend the money on lawyers if he's really bothered about them.

I hope my slightly tortured metaphor makes sense.

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socialworker222 · 31/03/2020 10:14

Sorry things are particularly hard Coffee and KitKat (I just realized how nice that sounds).
Any women going through this can do without other things going wrong; at the same time as my ex dropping his bomb, I had terrible problems at work. Followed by stressful issues with my home and money. Those of you further back in the process of dealing with your partners now have the virus. You are, women are, so strong and capable, and you will survive this. Certainly your kids' ages KitKat mean you won't have to navigate the contact issue for much longer as certainly in the UK, kind of 13-14 is the age where nobody is going to make kids do stuff they don't want. I was very fortunate that my kids were able to vote with their feet, so I didn't have to navigate that as those of you with younger children do. So hang on to that - it isn't long before they can decide what to do, and you can hopefully step back from negotiating on contact.
Regarding finances/housing... very hard I know. If you decide to make an offer on the house and contact, then yes, the deal is that you get decent financial support agreed. Sounds like the middle ground is to use your lawyer to try to settle out of court as you say; court is really costly.
He can have 50/50 contact but the chances of your older teens wanting to spend that time with him if he is dressing up, are rather slim as time goes on.
Just take it a day at a time. Not all the bad things you fear will happen, and you will manage the problems as they come along. And the virus is not forever.
But I'm thinking of all of you out there dealing with this crap at the same time as the pandemic. Keep your focus on your basic self-care and wellbeing, home, kids, and trying to plan for what you want and need. Those of us in a better position timeline-wise are thinking of you daily.

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