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Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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TinselAngel · 30/12/2019 16:49

What was it in 2019 that started to clarify things for you Rett?

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Rettstar · 30/12/2019 14:03

I broke up with Ex 2 weeks before christmas, which is statistically the most common time of the year to do it. So, 15 yrs on from the break up. What did I learn in those 15 years.

2004 - It was my fault that I was treated the way I was treated because of my gender.
2015 - I don't hate trans people (one of my male friends came out to me as an MTF)
2015 - I was in domestic violent relationship even though I wasn't beaten physically.
2018 - I can't say no when pressed for sex
2018 - that if I share my story, I'm considered a TERF because I genuinely don't believe my Ex was a woman (I have MTF friends, they are completely different to my Ex (also not in relationships during transition time)).
2019 - I fear my husband getting angry with me, so I don't make him angry or argue
2019 - I am submissive when confronted with abandonment or rejection
2019 - I was sexually abused in my last relationship, I was forced to do things that included penetrating him with objects, sex with him in lingerie, watching girl on girl porn etc. I couldn't say no to him as I thought he'd get angry
2019 - My fertility issues are a direct result of the abuse in that relationship
2019 - that my ex used being trans as an excuse for abuse
2019 - that I have CPTSD and now getting counseling
2019 - that my ex groomed me to try and get me to be lesbian
2019 - that my ex did these things to me as Mark, not his transitioned person Kate, so I'm still confused as to what happened to me.
2019 - I've started exploring gender critical feminism and I still don't understand why women aren't women anymore.

LangCleg · 27/12/2019 16:29

Why can none of these people spell woman?

(Reported as a support thread.)

TinselAngel · 27/12/2019 16:26

Hi Thea83 Obviously I've reported that post, but if you really are a (female) partner of a trans woman, we'll still be here when the scales fall from your eyes.

Peace and love x

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Italiangreyhound · 27/12/2019 11:48

racytay Thaks for replying. Are you in the states?

Don't say it you do not wish to.

I don't want to derail as I'm not a trans widow but do have a trans young person in the family (who has been suicidal) and I get your pain at watching a young person feel so awful even if it is for different reasons.

The situation in the UK churches may be quite mixed. Some ignore the issues, some go against it for spiritual reaons (so to speak) but some are very LGBT friendly too.

Anyway, the trans narrative has caused a lot of confusion and it is ironic to me at times that trans people do often seem attracted to the church.

Indeed, the only adult male identifying (relatively newly) as a trans woman, that I personally know, is an active member of a church.

So I sometimes wonder if there is a draw towards churches for trans adults. Inspite of the fact they won't necessarily be welcomed. Maybe in some circles they are actively welcomed too.

I hope whatever the future holds for your family you will find a way through this and your bravery will achieve great things for your kids. That they will not just survive, but thrive. I know that may seem hard now. But it is also my prayer for the young person in my family. Xxxxx

TinselAngel · 27/12/2019 10:58

I have to admit to being a bit intrigued as to what a support group for the wives of cross dressing vicars, was like?

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racytay1020 · 26/12/2019 04:57

The kids are doing much better now than before. Still, we seem to be part of a social experiment and the waves of grief and the impact of a parent transitioning may not be known until we have lived our entire lives.

racytay1020 · 26/12/2019 04:55

I am Christian, not attending a church rn. I want to but when i do I feel so let down that the church also ignores this issue and the women like us. I was in a support group for several years, it was all Christian women whose husbands cross-dressed or transitioned. Many of the men were pastors and church deacons. I am trying to remember it isnt about who is at church and try to get back to going regularly. I visit a church from time to time.

socialworker222 · 25/12/2019 23:21

Tinsel well done for surviving the day. I'd have hated it... But it's just a day. Hope you have fun with her tomorrow

Datun · 25/12/2019 21:41

Also delurking to wish to wish peace and calm to you all this holiday season.

Despite what goes into it, or more, because of what goes into it, this thread is one of the most important threads on the site.

💐

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 25/12/2019 16:43

Delurking to say how much I feel for you all and how much I admire your courage and clear sightedness. Hope you have as happy a Christmas as you can under the circumstances. Xmas Smile

TinselAngel · 25/12/2019 16:19

Thanks x

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Toomanytears · 25/12/2019 16:03

tinsel you don't need to 'get a grip' everyone understands it's a difficult day. You have supported so many of us through the last few years. Get an early night and put today behind you.

Italiangreyhound · 25/12/2019 15:23

TinselAngel Hope today will go OK. Tomorrow will come soon enough. XX

Italiangreyhound · 25/12/2019 13:58

@racytay1020 your post is very moving. We have some things in common I think because I sense your deep sadness. I'm not a trans widow but we have a trans young person in the family and the sorrow is different but palpable too. May I ask if you belong to a religious community of any sort? Don't answer if you do not wish to.

TinselAngel · 25/12/2019 12:48

Really struggling with DD being at her Dad's today. I miss her so much. Sad

I know I need to get a grip. She'll be back tomorrow.

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socialworker222 · 25/12/2019 08:18

Your pain is so acute in that post racy. I think the detail is really important in the impact on children. My badly-affected teen was referred to mental health services and talked about the clothing, seeing a glimpse of the same Angel bra she wore, the embroidered detail on the jeans that denoted them as 'ladies', the bad eyebrows, the 'creepy' and unsafe way she felt around him. Kids really notice this stuff and the trauma and pain of a parent yes, basically destroying themselves and rewriting everyone's history is entirely dismissed and ignored by TRAs. We mop.up the mess and see the pain of our children and for several years all my family's lives were paused, stunted, frozen. I hope your kid/s are doing okay. You clearly have a faith so I'd hope that helped you. I don't, but it was people in my life, friends family and coworkers who got me through. This space is protected and welcoming in exactly the dismissive and dogmatic world you describe and the women here understand your anger and pain.
To all of you, Happy Christmas, or as good as possible in the cirrcumstancesWine

racytay1020 · 25/12/2019 02:10

I found this post from Facebook I made almost 3 yrs ago when one of my kids was admitted to a psych hospital due to issues he experienced bc of his father transitioning. I am shocked it survived facebook that long.

I need to say something, maybe some people won't like it. Then block me, unfollow. Whatever. Honestly, don't care.

The destruction of the father becoming a woman doesn't ever seem to end. It is exhausting. Just when one wave is over another comes. Dealing with children who are influenced by a parent who lacks moral authority, who makes an idol of himself, and whose feelings are first above all else is a recipe for confusion and disaster. Never mind the children lost their birthright to a father and a mother. A child does not have the means to process this nor the vocabulary to express the grief and confusion it causes. They cannot express the betrayal or pain without feeling they betray the person they still love and who they feel is still a part of them. Confusion and self-loathing and anger is what sets in. The resulting depression and anger is enough to engulf an entire family in one child's rage, but two or three? Add to that the narcissistic attempts at triangulation against the parent trying to save the anguishing children. Transparents hurt their children. I am so sick and tired of the reckless indifference in our society and the lack of common sense.

Think it through, what would school be like if your dad was trans and wanted to come up to the school to your activities. What would a simple hug be like when your dad's breasts rub against your chest? What activities would you no longer be able to enjoy with your dad? Golfing from the men's tees? None of it is the same when you can't even call your dad "dad" and they have changed their appearance.

All of the indifferent people who say "at least he is happy now" or "it happens" or any of these careless and insensitive thoughtless platitudes can shove it up their thoughtless anal orifices as far as it will go. Typically, I am nice about this, but I cannot be anymore. Just shove it. All media pushing this transgender narrative can shove it. Bruce Jenner can shove it up his old wrinkled and botoxed butt for making transgender and transition household words!!! All the people pushing the lie on kids and families can shove it up theirs. "It happens"? At least they are happy? I am the one holding a kid at night sobbing. I am the one dealing with a second child with suicidal ideation. I am the one dealing with rage when a child cannot process grief from the loss of a father who essentially murdered himself in front of his children by transitioning. How much sleep have any of these idiots who utter "at least their happy now" ever lost? How many times have you held a child sobbing because their dad would rather wear a dress than be dad?

I am so effing tired of the sympathy for the trans, they made a choice, a series of them. And while some compassion is warranted for anyone who has dysphoria, the narrative is all wrong and leaves no room for dissent and compassion for the families hurt by this...the children are forgotten and the parents and step-parents cleaning up the mess left are waging a major war against the narrative and against a machine of lgbt activists, lawyers and an indoctrinated body of psychologists, doctors, and other professionals when it comes to getting help for our children. Every step of the way it is a battle and if you don't have the cash to fight this machine then be prepared to just lay down.

One thing I have not done is lie down. I will not lie down. I will continue the fight for my children. Please pray for my children and my family as we wage this battle for their mental and emotional well-being and pray for their future that it will be in line with God's will.

moimichme · 24/12/2019 21:44

My ex also had an odd thing with textures and may have been slightly autistic but that doesn't really explain the god complex or selfish narcissistic personality.

Wishing a happy and peaceful Christmas to you all. Xmas Smile

racytay1020 · 24/12/2019 17:47

My ex dusted his house with a leaf blower once bc it was so nasty and the children's lawyer was dropping in for a home study. The kids were there and they said dust was flying up everywhere. He isnt a neat person. He did take up baking and cooking as a hobby. But as for raising the kids....no, he doesnt bear that responsibility.

TinselAngel · 24/12/2019 14:14

Peace is very under rated!

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SingingLily · 24/12/2019 14:07

As a regular on the Stately Homes thread, I would also like to offer all of you my sincere hope that tomorrow will be a peaceful day for you, and to send you my very best wishes for the year to come.

LangCleg · 24/12/2019 10:49

Thinking of all you lovely women on this thread this Christmas-time. I hope it's at least peaceful for you all.

TinselAngel · 24/12/2019 09:28

Me ex always said he thought he was autistic. I remain sceptical, but the textures thing you mention definitely applies.

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