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Has any woman here ever been mistaken for a bloke?

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WomanBornNotWorn · 18/08/2019 12:44

I've always been bigger than most other girls / women.

Despite an officially (Gok Wan hah!!) hourglass shape (waist 75% of equal sized hip/shoulders) etc etc etc, no gender confusion and what not, my overall bigliness (I'm the height of the average British bloke so half of them are smaller than me) has always been a potential for problems.

Oversized feet, big jaw, broad shoulders send ... the wrong message.

Never been particularly GNC, just not 'slim, dainty, girly, feminine, flirtatious, hot' and all the rest of that template stuff women are 'supposed to be'.

Each time I've been mis-sexed I remember with a jolt. Where I was, who said what, how I reacted - and what I was wearing. I actually think twice about what I wear in case it triggers an incident. Certain things I shy away from - Lace up shoes, trousers with jackets especially.

It's really rare to be fair, but over a lifetime that's a little collection I'd rather not have in the memory bank.

Does anyone else share this little anxiety?

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borntobequiet · 18/08/2019 13:57

I was mistaken for a boy by my (now long) ex. I was laughing at him at the time while doing a heavy physical job with my hair tucked up in a cap and wearing jeans and a jumper. He called me a cheeky little shit and threatened to deck me (literally).
I was often mistaken for a boy in my teens/twenties, though apparently I “scrubbed up well”. Seems very long ago now.

SirVixofVixHall · 18/08/2019 13:56

My tallest friend used to get mistaken for a bloke all the time, until she turned round ( cropped hair, face of an angel).
I was called “Sonny” in a shop when I cropped my hair, i was thirty, so rather delighted.

LangCleg · 18/08/2019 13:52

Why take this as a compliment? Are butch lesbians better than other women?

Yes. Yes they are. They're special and my own personal sacred caste. I trust that is a satisfactory answer.

(LOL. You're not very good at light humour, are you Marguerita?)

PurpleCrowbar · 18/08/2019 13:47

Yes - I'm tall, big boned & naturally scruffy. Have spotted people double taking, & have sometimes been called 'sir' by mistake.

I'm a teacher so obviously it happens all the time at school - I reckon I get 3 'sir's to every 'mum'...Grin

BobbinThreadbare123 · 18/08/2019 13:43

Not in the flesh, I haven't. But in comms or on the internet, yes. I use the title 'Dr' professionally and have a gender neutral name, so an assumption is made that I am male quite a lot. Also, like a PP, I have 'male' interests.

Endofthedays · 18/08/2019 13:42

Yes, I’ve been assumed to be a trans woman.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 18/08/2019 13:42

well

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 18/08/2019 13:41

Yes, often as a teenager and we'll into my twenties.

It's not a problem because it isn't an insult.

Deathraystare · 18/08/2019 13:41

Once on a bus - a guy said "Excuse me, Sir" as he went past. I like to think it may be the fact that English was not his first language. OK my hair is short but I normally wear lipstick and have large norks. He just saw someone from the back in a black jacket and jeans.

At least that is what I believe!

TheJoxter · 18/08/2019 13:40

I’m also tall for a woman, with big hands, quite a feminine figure but small boobs so they’re easily hidden under big clothes

TheJoxter · 18/08/2019 13:38

In winter I wear baggy jeans and big jumpers, last winter I had very short hair and got called sir a LOT. I also had a dad (only dad there) at a kids birthday party be very chatty when I was dressed like that, and he’s never acknowledged me again! No idea if he thought I was another dad and either doesn’t realise I’m the same person or is just embarrassed or what!

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 18/08/2019 13:38

I wonder if it's more scale than height? Width of jaw, shoulders, size of hands and feet being read as male because - as we know - male skeletons and skulls regardless of height are generally heftier than female

I'd say so, yes. I'm 5'6" myself, which while being only the tall side of average for women is, by West Central Scotland standards, not particularly short for a man. I have many, many male friends, family members and colleagues who are shorter than me.

It is my fine bone structure rather than my height that is unmistakably female.

fairhairedfairy · 18/08/2019 13:33

I have a few times as I'm not large of bust, wear androgynous clothing and have had short hairstyles.

I couldn't care less. I'll correct them if it's relevant but if it's eg a parent saying to their child "let the man go past" or something then I don't bother or give it a second thought.

NottonightJosepheen · 18/08/2019 13:32

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MargueritaBlue · 18/08/2019 13:30

I don't dress feminine, so a few times mistaken for a butch lesbian. Which I take as a compliment

Why take this as a compliment? Are butch lesbians better than other women?

online including work context, frequently. I take it as a compliment

Again- why take this as a compliment?

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/08/2019 13:30

I know several women over 6' tall, taller than me, and most annoyingly they could never be mistaken for anything but women. And several shorter blokes who are mini hunks. And several responses here have been from less heighty women, who've still had the annoyance. So I have to conclude height isn't all that important. I wonder if it's more scale than height? Width of jaw, shoulders, size of hands and feet being read as male because - as we know - male skeletons and skulls regardless of height are generally heftier than female.

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courderoy · 18/08/2019 13:28

I get mistaken for a man quite regularly. I am tall, i wear ‘mens’ clothes and shoes mostly. I’m not performing masculinity, its just what I find comfortable/fits.

I was physically attacked once, the blokes mate yelled “its a girl!” and he backed off then.

I’m often mistaken for a man over email at work, I work with the US a lot and my name is spelt like a mans name there.

I’m a woman, i have no desire to be a man but the mistakes aren’t anything i am bothered about (other than the being attacked!)

MargueritaBlue · 18/08/2019 13:27

but way overboard with the make up/hair/clothes, almost a parody of what a man thinks a woman looks like. Also a very flowery ridiculous name

What a charming person you are.

hazeyjane · 18/08/2019 13:25

I used to get it a lot when I shaved my head as a teen and 20 something.
My hair has been cropped very short on and off thtoughout my life and it has happened a few times ..the only one that sticks in my mind is when i was massively pregnant, which made me laugh!!
It's never made me anxious or upset though.
I've got shaved sides and back now and a quiff, and work with little children who think it is funny that I have 'man's hair'.
My dd2 has short blonde hair and gets called a boy all the time by the same small children and my ds's classmates, (most of whom have autism) - I think it is because it breaks a perceived rule of how people should look. It always leads to interesting conversations about how we choose to look and dress etc

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 18/08/2019 13:23

Yes! I'm 6', and have frequently been called Sir.
It doesn't bother me at all. I wear men's clothes sometimes so am not surprised if ppl mistake me for a man.
It doesn't change me or my identity if someone else makes a mistake!
(I've never been mistaken for a man when wearing obviously womens clothes!)

Defenestratethecat · 18/08/2019 13:21

NC’d for this............Yes, now and then. I’m well over 6 foot tall, short hair and not exactly sylphlike. I’m also usually clad in jeans and t-shirt. When it happens I do not accuse the perpetrator of ‘literal violence’. My response is usually Hmm and carry on with my day.

I’ve also occasionally noticed people giving me the side-eye in the ladies loo - am tempted to flash the vulva but have resisted so far Grin.

PinkBuffalo · 18/08/2019 13:18

I do sometimes, not very often and I understand why but it doesn't make me feel good when it does happen.
I have short hair, am 5ft 6 and a bit skinny. Not much shape to me, and I don't find fitted clothes comfortable so am often in a men's t shirt & football shorts for the gym etc. I'm not one for skirts or dresses or things like that and don't wear make up.
I'm not very girly, but definitely not a man!

Rapidmama · 18/08/2019 13:15

On the phone yes. Very deep rough voice. In person, no.

However I suspect a woman at work of actually being a man. If so I would guess she’s been transitioned for a very long time (old school transsexual). Very male features and stature but way overboard with the make up/hair/clothes, almost a parody of what a man thinks a woman looks like. Also a very flowery ridiculous name.

I’ve never voiced it obviously and wouldn’t ask but I’m surprised nobody else has ever said it.

DuMondeB · 18/08/2019 13:14

Kids are sometimes confused by me, I’ve heard many a little ask a parent ‘is that a lady or a man?’ but it’s more because I dress like a weirdo than anything to do with biology or performed masculinity/feminity.

I’ve been called ‘sir’ by customer service types who aren’t paying attention (who correct themselves immediately) and in text, because my name is a male diminutive name.

Once, when I was in a gay bar in a social group with a bunch of TV/TS MtF’s I overheard a man ask his mate ‘is that an actual woman or a really good looking t**y’?

EverardDigby · 18/08/2019 13:13

Yes. Not so much recently, though it does still happen occasionally, but in my 20s. Short hair, not particularly feminine clothing (though the last time it happened I was wearing a skirt!) and I think I move in a fairly blokey way. FaceApp also thought I was a man!

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